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Election looking bleak.  Neither party will stand up for Australia against globalism.  Labour wants to send your money away to the carbon gods, and Liberals want to forgo tax income to help out big business, and neither party gives a fuck who we elect or why, its already become an over reaching beurocracy that fucks everything up no matter what the citizens think.  Its actually time for a revolution.   Then they go and call an election for a weekend Im away playing Golf.  This governemnt is just completley pointless.

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Well, here we are in the annual fire season, and because its a drought its worse than usual. Of course all the media and Socialists (and crony Capitalists looking for Govt handouts in wind & solar!) are screaming "its global warming doing it!"

No-one seems to be looking anywhere else. For example-

This arrangement of the planets happens less than once in 300years.  300years ago is before the "history" they mean when they say "worst fires in history"...


The sun has run of of sunspots..  It happens in 11-year cycles that grow each cycle to a maximum, then decrease each cycle to a minimum, but NOT as minimum as currently. We've been counting sunspots since the 1600s, so those who learn about them have noted how the climate is affected. The IPCC is NOT included amongst those!


The sun's magnetic field usually flips every second cycle, we don't know how this will affect electronics, but our own magnetic North pole is moving towards Russia. (Of COURSE the Russians are doing it!) Others are saying the Earth is overdue for a magnetic pole flip, as has happened many times before.


Even within the drought the weather has a greater chance of rain than at others. I'm a great believer in Kevin Long here in Aussie, as I was in NZ with Ken Ring. Ken reckons our forefathers used astronomy to predict the climate for generations, but when Britain was expanding their empire around the world they need weather forecasts for their ships. The invention of the barometer solved that, but is only over a week at the most, and its popularity resulted in it excluding the old methods for all Western Govts. The moon is the biggest impactor on weather.


I LOVE the BOM's phantom rain, it appears a week away and gets less & less as we approach it. As people say, if they can't predict the weather a week away, how can they say what's going to happen in 50years? 

I say, I'll believe in their global warming crap science when they can explain how water divining works!  I've seen it happen, I believe completely in it, yet no scientist can explain it...   so, what else don't they know? How good are their models when they can't even explain something that has been around for tens of thousands of years?

Meanwhile, we're all going to get screwed by completely ignorant politicians who are captured by big business and grandstanding to their peers, they're all trying to outdo each other as they pander to the 'woke'.  It will all end badly...



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I didn't realise how much i missed this thread.  Don't really know what you are exactly saying there,

My opinion is that the only people who don't benefit from climate change action is the big oil and coal companies profits (and thus gov donations). and remember i work for one of these and have worked in the industry for quite a few yrs now.

An interesting comment about the pro climate action protestors being disruptive. the Anti-climate action protestors are literally inside the government buildings handing cheques to the government over expensive dinners.

If we made a huge jump in climate action (whatever that means..what does it mean?), what is the worst that can happen?

"non renewable" companies lose profit unless they pivot their business model and the gov lobbyists don't have as much money for donations. That doesn't sound so bad?

Ignoring the potential climate change reversal, the upsides are good for everyone. Cleaner air, new industries get going, new major infrastructure projects that aren't roads or tunnels. Some general excitement doing something new and potentially innovative. there are so many alternative ways of doing things that we don't have the funding to research. CSIRO has no funding anymore, grants arent given to these kinds of things. silly really.

There will always be peoples jobs who are effected by change, that's how the world works. No one cares now that all the horse shoe makers don't have a jobs anymore, or all the steam train factory workers don't have jobs anymore. Most if not all the people who are effected by industrial change will find new places to work. Remember I am one of these people, I'd find a new job somewhere.

The media and politicians love to make it all about jobs, but in my opinion thats almost irrelevant to the discussion. You are talking about the jobs for people who might have ~40yrs left of work for the sake of the indefinite future of how we do things.

But then again, our politicians are only capable of seeing as far as the next election into the future (less than 2yrs due to how long it takes for them to get going and then the campaign starts), so i don't have alot of hope for anything happening except arguing to be honest.





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"If we made a huge jump in climate action (whatever that means..what does it mean?), what is the worst that can happen? "

Well..   The obvious one is that we might spend hundreds of billions of taxpayer money investing in stuff that has no return. That may give us an unworkable electricity grid with power so variable we have daily blackouts for a few hours here and there, like most of Africa.   Of course the taxpayers don't have hundreds of billions, so the Govt will borrow it & expect the next generation to pay it back, which means the next block of Govts will just inflate the shit out of money until the debt is worthless.

Its really about heading down a dead-end road. Comparable to spending Australia's energy budget just mining Bitcoin, then having everyone rush off and use something else. There is a lot of ways to throw money away, and Govts know them all.     Of course we may still be whining about global warming and pouring money in when the next ice-age hits and you'll never find a politician or "influencer" who would own up to their stupidity!

I'd be quite happy is there were no regulations forcing people to use renewables, and no subsidies. That way we will get new ideas that are actually economic. But instead some brainless shit on Council in Orange calling for Council to "create a market for recycling"!!  That's is the epitome of throwing ratepayer's money away! We should have all that stuff running on private investment, so when enough people believe in it they will adopt it.

Maybe we should be adopting one of the many newer forms of nuclear energy. Maybe we should just burn coal or gas and grab the particulates & sulphur from the exhaust, but while its politics and not economics, we can't discover the real price of energy.  As for the IPCC, NONE of their predictions in the last 20 years has come true, so they just don't count!

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We waste enough money elsewhere to justify potentially wasting some money on alternate energy sources which, regardless of whether climate change is real or not, will have a positive impact on Australia.

The issues we have is that the free market wont do it because its so easy to make oodles of money just doing the status quo. Dial that back a bit and maybe we will see industries make a change on their own.

Im a mechanical engineer and i see lots of companies doing cool stuff, and all we do in Aus is mining (in general).. To be the point where alot of my collegues and friends have gone overseas just to get involved in these new industries. We cant just mine forever. Scientists are leaving Aus due to lack of opportunities just to research stuff. One of my mates moved to switzerland to do some kick ass research on CPU chips. No chance of that here.

I'd love to talk about nuclear, but the media has done a good job of scaring the world about that so probably take another generation before places like AUS or the USA come around to that idea.

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Hey is it not funny that before we can all agree with the right pathway on policy to "control" the climate, they already know how much money its going to cost.

Mark my words, this whole climate emrgency, and all the shady language around it is simply because some evil bastard said to some other evil bastards, hey guys, I bet with just the right marketing campaign we can make the sheep even pay us for the air they breath.


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from Ron Owen's Guns bulletin...

"After the 1939 fires, when a fire began near Frankston. Port Phillip Bay Victoria burned then through the Eastern part of the State 4,942,000 acres to the NSW border killing 71 people, over 1,300 homes and 69 sawmills were burned, and 3,700 buildings were destroyed. It was calculated that three-quarters of the State of Victoria was directly or indirectly affected by the disaster that caused a Royal Commission.
That Commission recommended that the Forest Commission would supervise the construction and maintenance of Fire Access trails, (these trails would be wide enough to form fire breaks) throughout all of the State forests, that water points (Dams) would be built, Fire towers manned, that Dugout Shelters would be located on these fire Access Trails, and at logging camps giving shelter points for fire fighters. Most importantly the Commission recommended the ‘controlled burning’ off, in the cooler seasons of these blocks surrounded by the fire access trails in a Mosaic pattern to reduce the fuel on the forest floor. They also recommended that these area were logged within a pattern so that the forest did not become over mature and leave millions of dead trees still standing waiting to burn.
Of course the commission also recommended that all settlements, farms, electrical power lines, houses have firebreaks and that the Forestry Commission ensure that every forest had a wide firebreak before it met the boundary fence of private property. The Commission also recommended that all forest areas be sectioned into Cattle leases so that grazing cattle would clean the firebreaks, trails and the forest floor and again improving the access.
These recommendations were so successful that they were taken on board by NSW and Queensland, they protected the forest and protected the residents, yes there were still fires and still fatalities such as the grass fires at Lara Victoria in the late 1960s but no massive fires of significance until the Ash Wednesday fires of 1983 which was mostly in South Australia. Those recommendations from the 1939 Royal Commission that were not completely implemented until after WW2 continued to save lives and keep people safe for 40 years.
Then We Got The GREEN Commission.
Before the Green movement campaigned to stop the logging, stop the cattle, stop controlled reduction burning, keep 4 wheel drives out of the forest. “Lock the Forest Up” and Make it into a National Park where no one can go.
They have even prosecuted people for making their own private property fire breaks, put them before the courts, tried them with legislation composed by the Green philosophy most have been fined and some have been sent to jail. All just want to protect their families, their homes and their livelihoods.
Such as Mr Sheahan who is still angry about his prosecution, which cost him $100,000 in fines and legal fees. Mr Sheahan cleared trees up to 100 metres away from his house. “The council stood up in court and made us to look like the worst, wanton environmental vandals on the earth. We’ve got thousands of trees on our property. We cleared about 247,” he said.
Save your Farm and Be Fined $100,000. by government prosecution.
Although Liam Sheahan’s 2002 decision to disregard planning laws and bulldoze 250 trees on his hilltop property hurt his family financially and emotionally, he believes it helped save them and their home on the weekend. “The house is safe because we did all that,” he said as he pointed out his kitchen window to the clear ground where tall gum trees once cast a shadow on his house.”We have got proof right here. We are the only house standing in a two-kilometre area.”Mr Sheahan was prosecuted and it cost him $100,000.
Save Your Farm Build a Fire Break and Be Fined a Million Dollars.
Many other land holders have been fined just recently the largest fine to date has impacted on
Mr Michael Baker who despite receiving conflicting advice from several different Queensland Government staff, has just resulted in a Queensland landowner being forced to pay $999,780 in fines and costs.
Michael Vincent Baker of Chess Park, Eidsvold, was found guilty in the Brisbane Magistrate Court of the unauthorised clearing. Mr Baker representative solicitor Mr Marland said “that before Mr Baker commenced the clearing in question, he contacted 32 different Government employees seeking advice on the acceptable width of fire breaks. He said he received conflicting advice ranging from 1.5 metres wide to “1.5 times the height of the tallest tree”.
Department of Natural Resources and Mines Director-General James Purtill said
“The fine handed down reflects the significant extent of the illegal clearing and Mr Baker’s deliberate actions despite direct warnings given to him by the department,” Mr Purtill said.
Queensland strikes a balance between enabling landowners to get on with managing their businesses by sensibly clearing appropriate vegetation, and protecting our environment.”
I believe that Mr James Purtill should be taken and wired to a tree before an oncoming bushfire with a 1.5 metre firebreak in front of him, before he can judge Mr Baker or anyone else’s firebreak distance, especially as this was on Mr Baker’s property. All of the Greens Party, all of the green bureaucrats that sit and pontificate in government departments, all of the Green teachers in our schools and universities, all of our politicians who seek the Green votes all should be taken with Mr Purtill and wired to trees. Let them feel the super heated air burning the hairs in their noses and the back of their throats when its still 30 metres away.  Of course when it gets closer it sucks out the air from their lungs the oxygen burns brightly and fry’s them in their own body fat. Let them really know how it feels to die, by the hands of government Green legislation in the same way that they have imposed it on innocent people who have died in the last few weeks and those that are still to die before this Green legislation has been rectified.
The ABC and SBS are missing-in-action when it comes to standing up for the farmers who are forced to pay tax to keep the billion dollar big-government propaganda-machine running."
Building the Evo3 rallycar with Josh today, he tells me the 4WD clubs used to use the forests and Parks, they'd go through and clear all the tracks and firebreaks so the Firies could get through...  then they were locked out. All the tracks have overgrown and just been waiting for a fire.

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