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Election looking bleak.  Neither party will stand up for Australia against globalism.  Labour wants to send your money away to the carbon gods, and Liberals want to forgo tax income to help out big business, and neither party gives a fuck who we elect or why, its already become an over reaching beurocracy that fucks everything up no matter what the citizens think.  Its actually time for a revolution.   Then they go and call an election for a weekend Im away playing Golf.  This governemnt is just completley pointless.

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Well, here we are in the annual fire season, and because its a drought its worse than usual. Of course all the media and Socialists (and crony Capitalists looking for Govt handouts in wind & solar!) are screaming "its global warming doing it!"

No-one seems to be looking anywhere else. For example-

This arrangement of the planets happens less than once in 300years.  300years ago is before the "history" they mean when they say "worst fires in history"...


The sun has run of of sunspots..  It happens in 11-year cycles that grow each cycle to a maximum, then decrease each cycle to a minimum, but NOT as minimum as currently. We've been counting sunspots since the 1600s, so those who learn about them have noted how the climate is affected. The IPCC is NOT included amongst those!


The sun's magnetic field usually flips every second cycle, we don't know how this will affect electronics, but our own magnetic North pole is moving towards Russia. (Of COURSE the Russians are doing it!) Others are saying the Earth is overdue for a magnetic pole flip, as has happened many times before.


Even within the drought the weather has a greater chance of rain than at others. I'm a great believer in Kevin Long here in Aussie, as I was in NZ with Ken Ring. Ken reckons our forefathers used astronomy to predict the climate for generations, but when Britain was expanding their empire around the world they need weather forecasts for their ships. The invention of the barometer solved that, but is only over a week at the most, and its popularity resulted in it excluding the old methods for all Western Govts. The moon is the biggest impactor on weather.


I LOVE the BOM's phantom rain, it appears a week away and gets less & less as we approach it. As people say, if they can't predict the weather a week away, how can they say what's going to happen in 50years? 

I say, I'll believe in their global warming crap science when they can explain how water divining works!  I've seen it happen, I believe completely in it, yet no scientist can explain it...   so, what else don't they know? How good are their models when they can't even explain something that has been around for tens of thousands of years?

Meanwhile, we're all going to get screwed by completely ignorant politicians who are captured by big business and grandstanding to their peers, they're all trying to outdo each other as they pander to the 'woke'.  It will all end badly...



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I didn't realise how much i missed this thread.  Don't really know what you are exactly saying there,

My opinion is that the only people who don't benefit from climate change action is the big oil and coal companies profits (and thus gov donations). and remember i work for one of these and have worked in the industry for quite a few yrs now.

An interesting comment about the pro climate action protestors being disruptive. the Anti-climate action protestors are literally inside the government buildings handing cheques to the government over expensive dinners.

If we made a huge jump in climate action (whatever that means..what does it mean?), what is the worst that can happen?

"non renewable" companies lose profit unless they pivot their business model and the gov lobbyists don't have as much money for donations. That doesn't sound so bad?

Ignoring the potential climate change reversal, the upsides are good for everyone. Cleaner air, new industries get going, new major infrastructure projects that aren't roads or tunnels. Some general excitement doing something new and potentially innovative. there are so many alternative ways of doing things that we don't have the funding to research. CSIRO has no funding anymore, grants arent given to these kinds of things. silly really.

There will always be peoples jobs who are effected by change, that's how the world works. No one cares now that all the horse shoe makers don't have a jobs anymore, or all the steam train factory workers don't have jobs anymore. Most if not all the people who are effected by industrial change will find new places to work. Remember I am one of these people, I'd find a new job somewhere.

The media and politicians love to make it all about jobs, but in my opinion thats almost irrelevant to the discussion. You are talking about the jobs for people who might have ~40yrs left of work for the sake of the indefinite future of how we do things.

But then again, our politicians are only capable of seeing as far as the next election into the future (less than 2yrs due to how long it takes for them to get going and then the campaign starts), so i don't have alot of hope for anything happening except arguing to be honest.





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"If we made a huge jump in climate action (whatever that means..what does it mean?), what is the worst that can happen? "

Well..   The obvious one is that we might spend hundreds of billions of taxpayer money investing in stuff that has no return. That may give us an unworkable electricity grid with power so variable we have daily blackouts for a few hours here and there, like most of Africa.   Of course the taxpayers don't have hundreds of billions, so the Govt will borrow it & expect the next generation to pay it back, which means the next block of Govts will just inflate the shit out of money until the debt is worthless.

Its really about heading down a dead-end road. Comparable to spending Australia's energy budget just mining Bitcoin, then having everyone rush off and use something else. There is a lot of ways to throw money away, and Govts know them all.     Of course we may still be whining about global warming and pouring money in when the next ice-age hits and you'll never find a politician or "influencer" who would own up to their stupidity!

I'd be quite happy is there were no regulations forcing people to use renewables, and no subsidies. That way we will get new ideas that are actually economic. But instead some brainless shit on Council in Orange calling for Council to "create a market for recycling"!!  That's is the epitome of throwing ratepayer's money away! We should have all that stuff running on private investment, so when enough people believe in it they will adopt it.

Maybe we should be adopting one of the many newer forms of nuclear energy. Maybe we should just burn coal or gas and grab the particulates & sulphur from the exhaust, but while its politics and not economics, we can't discover the real price of energy.  As for the IPCC, NONE of their predictions in the last 20 years has come true, so they just don't count!

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We waste enough money elsewhere to justify potentially wasting some money on alternate energy sources which, regardless of whether climate change is real or not, will have a positive impact on Australia.

The issues we have is that the free market wont do it because its so easy to make oodles of money just doing the status quo. Dial that back a bit and maybe we will see industries make a change on their own.

Im a mechanical engineer and i see lots of companies doing cool stuff, and all we do in Aus is mining (in general).. To be the point where alot of my collegues and friends have gone overseas just to get involved in these new industries. We cant just mine forever. Scientists are leaving Aus due to lack of opportunities just to research stuff. One of my mates moved to switzerland to do some kick ass research on CPU chips. No chance of that here.

I'd love to talk about nuclear, but the media has done a good job of scaring the world about that so probably take another generation before places like AUS or the USA come around to that idea.

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Hey is it not funny that before we can all agree with the right pathway on policy to "control" the climate, they already know how much money its going to cost.

Mark my words, this whole climate emrgency, and all the shady language around it is simply because some evil bastard said to some other evil bastards, hey guys, I bet with just the right marketing campaign we can make the sheep even pay us for the air they breath.


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from Ron Owen's Guns bulletin...

"After the 1939 fires, when a fire began near Frankston. Port Phillip Bay Victoria burned then through the Eastern part of the State 4,942,000 acres to the NSW border killing 71 people, over 1,300 homes and 69 sawmills were burned, and 3,700 buildings were destroyed. It was calculated that three-quarters of the State of Victoria was directly or indirectly affected by the disaster that caused a Royal Commission.
That Commission recommended that the Forest Commission would supervise the construction and maintenance of Fire Access trails, (these trails would be wide enough to form fire breaks) throughout all of the State forests, that water points (Dams) would be built, Fire towers manned, that Dugout Shelters would be located on these fire Access Trails, and at logging camps giving shelter points for fire fighters. Most importantly the Commission recommended the ‘controlled burning’ off, in the cooler seasons of these blocks surrounded by the fire access trails in a Mosaic pattern to reduce the fuel on the forest floor. They also recommended that these area were logged within a pattern so that the forest did not become over mature and leave millions of dead trees still standing waiting to burn.
Of course the commission also recommended that all settlements, farms, electrical power lines, houses have firebreaks and that the Forestry Commission ensure that every forest had a wide firebreak before it met the boundary fence of private property. The Commission also recommended that all forest areas be sectioned into Cattle leases so that grazing cattle would clean the firebreaks, trails and the forest floor and again improving the access.
These recommendations were so successful that they were taken on board by NSW and Queensland, they protected the forest and protected the residents, yes there were still fires and still fatalities such as the grass fires at Lara Victoria in the late 1960s but no massive fires of significance until the Ash Wednesday fires of 1983 which was mostly in South Australia. Those recommendations from the 1939 Royal Commission that were not completely implemented until after WW2 continued to save lives and keep people safe for 40 years.
Then We Got The GREEN Commission.
Before the Green movement campaigned to stop the logging, stop the cattle, stop controlled reduction burning, keep 4 wheel drives out of the forest. “Lock the Forest Up” and Make it into a National Park where no one can go.
They have even prosecuted people for making their own private property fire breaks, put them before the courts, tried them with legislation composed by the Green philosophy most have been fined and some have been sent to jail. All just want to protect their families, their homes and their livelihoods.
Such as Mr Sheahan who is still angry about his prosecution, which cost him $100,000 in fines and legal fees. Mr Sheahan cleared trees up to 100 metres away from his house. “The council stood up in court and made us to look like the worst, wanton environmental vandals on the earth. We’ve got thousands of trees on our property. We cleared about 247,” he said.
Save your Farm and Be Fined $100,000. by government prosecution.
Although Liam Sheahan’s 2002 decision to disregard planning laws and bulldoze 250 trees on his hilltop property hurt his family financially and emotionally, he believes it helped save them and their home on the weekend. “The house is safe because we did all that,” he said as he pointed out his kitchen window to the clear ground where tall gum trees once cast a shadow on his house.”We have got proof right here. We are the only house standing in a two-kilometre area.”Mr Sheahan was prosecuted and it cost him $100,000.
Save Your Farm Build a Fire Break and Be Fined a Million Dollars.
Many other land holders have been fined just recently the largest fine to date has impacted on
Mr Michael Baker who despite receiving conflicting advice from several different Queensland Government staff, has just resulted in a Queensland landowner being forced to pay $999,780 in fines and costs.
Michael Vincent Baker of Chess Park, Eidsvold, was found guilty in the Brisbane Magistrate Court of the unauthorised clearing. Mr Baker representative solicitor Mr Marland said “that before Mr Baker commenced the clearing in question, he contacted 32 different Government employees seeking advice on the acceptable width of fire breaks. He said he received conflicting advice ranging from 1.5 metres wide to “1.5 times the height of the tallest tree”.
Department of Natural Resources and Mines Director-General James Purtill said
“The fine handed down reflects the significant extent of the illegal clearing and Mr Baker’s deliberate actions despite direct warnings given to him by the department,” Mr Purtill said.
Queensland strikes a balance between enabling landowners to get on with managing their businesses by sensibly clearing appropriate vegetation, and protecting our environment.”
I believe that Mr James Purtill should be taken and wired to a tree before an oncoming bushfire with a 1.5 metre firebreak in front of him, before he can judge Mr Baker or anyone else’s firebreak distance, especially as this was on Mr Baker’s property. All of the Greens Party, all of the green bureaucrats that sit and pontificate in government departments, all of the Green teachers in our schools and universities, all of our politicians who seek the Green votes all should be taken with Mr Purtill and wired to trees. Let them feel the super heated air burning the hairs in their noses and the back of their throats when its still 30 metres away.  Of course when it gets closer it sucks out the air from their lungs the oxygen burns brightly and fry’s them in their own body fat. Let them really know how it feels to die, by the hands of government Green legislation in the same way that they have imposed it on innocent people who have died in the last few weeks and those that are still to die before this Green legislation has been rectified.
The ABC and SBS are missing-in-action when it comes to standing up for the farmers who are forced to pay tax to keep the billion dollar big-government propaganda-machine running."
Building the Evo3 rallycar with Josh today, he tells me the 4WD clubs used to use the forests and Parks, they'd go through and clear all the tracks and firebreaks so the Firies could get through...  then they were locked out. All the tracks have overgrown and just been waiting for a fire.

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Well, while we're all under house arrest, there is time to think about 'why'.

The Yanks have been bid-engineering viruses for quite some time, looking for 'gain of function', which means getting a more contagious and more deadly form of the virus. They had two Chinese researchers there a few years back, and when the USA Govt banned that type of work around 2014-2017, those experts in bat coronavirus went back to China. A new lab was set up in Wuhan and funded from the Pentagon.


Option A- last year the American Army lab at Fort Detrick was shut down over their inability to follow procedures and contain biological organisms. Last year the USA had a lot of pneumonial deaths they wrote off to the flu or to the new vaping craze. Last year the USA sent army personnel to the International Army Games in...  Wuhan in China.  There are 4 main strains of Covid 19, the USA and Australia have type A, Wuhan and most of Asia has the drivative type B, Europe has the third type C.   So, did the virus escape from an army lab that was not meant to be doing that sort of work, type A gained a slow foothold then was taken to Wuhan by the athletes where type B arose and they both spread around the world.

Option B- like A but it was deliberately released by the Yanks in China and Iran, and everyone was surprised when it spread so much.

Option C- The Chinese researchers continued their work in Wuhan with the help of Americans, and it got out of the lab by accident. The rest is history.

It was a bad year to Govt researching ways of killing people by disease. An explosion in a Russian biological laboratory, they denied any release, the American Army lab being closed for lousy work, they denied any release,  the Chinese suffering Wuhan...  not that any of this is going to stop Govts doing it!

Of course Morrison is just a clown calling for an inquiry into China over it. "Independent" would mean letting the India or Turkey or some non-aligned nation do it, and there is no way the yanks would let that happen. Any inquiry would be told what 'facts' to find by Washington!    Its time he grew some balls and refused to do the American's bidding, especially when it causes us such trouble as the beef or the $600million barley export market.

This is part of a long article, one of many I've read about the genome sequence, where and how it started and got moving, and the strange way it attacks the body-


This report is the product of a collaboration between Dr. Karl Sirotkin, a retired professional scientist with dozens of peer-reviewed publications and 30 years of experience in genomic sequencing and analysis. It considers whether the Wuhan Strain of coronavirus (COVID-19) is the result of naturally emergent mutations against the possibility that it may be a bio-engineered strain – directly altered by genetic manipulation, subject to artificially-guided evolutionary selection, or both – most likely released into the public by accident since China’s rate of occupational accidents is about ten-times higher than America’s, and some twenty-times more than Europe’s, the only other regions with high-level virology labs.

Raising the odds of an accidental release, researchers from China’s only BSL-4 lab in Wuhan were reported to have particularly sloppy field research methods, being both bled and peed on by local bats that host coronaviruses remarkably similar to the Wuhan Strain COVID-19. And they’ve also been reported to smuggle used research animals out of their labs, selling them for cash on the street. Perhaps unsurprisingly, in mid February the Chinese Ministry of Science sent out a directive to all its labs emphasizing the important of carefully handling bio-infectious agents and alluding to slack oversight and past lapses, even mentioning coronaviruses specifically.

Beijing has had four known accidental leaks of the SARS virus in recent years, so there is absolutely no reason to assume that this strain of coronavirus from Wuhan didn’t accidentally leak out as well. This is unlikely to be a plot twist in one of the novels Tom Clancy wrote after he started mailing it in.

Simply and horribly, this is likely to become another Chernobyl or Fukushima – a catastrophic illustration of mankind’s hubris and intransigence clashing with Nature, as fate again reaps a once unimaginably tragic toll.

Given that this outbreak was said to begin in early winter when most bat species in the region are hibernating and the Chinese horseshoe bat’s habitat covers an enormous swath of the region containing scores of cities and hundreds of millions people, the fact that this Wuhan Strain of coronavirus, denoted as COVID-19, emerged in close proximity to the only BSL-4 virology lab in China, which in turn was staffed with at least two Chinese scientists – Zhengli Shi and Xing-Yi Ge – both virologists who had previously worked at an American lab which had already bio-engineered an incredibly virulent strain of bat coronavirus – the accidental release of a bio-engineered virus from Wuhan’s virology lab cannot be automatically discounted, especially when the Wuhan Strain’s unnatural genomic signals are considered.

Artificially enhancing selection by intentionally infecting countless series of lab animals with different viruses is understood to have created the H1N1 Swine Flu. Its Franken-genome has a mysterious untraceable genetic parentage and a “clear unnatural origin,” appearing to be the product of “sequential passage in an animal reservoir” which was determined by its vast genetic distance from any extant strain of flu, just like COVID-19 which also appears so distant from any related coronavirus that it’s been placed in its own clade, an isolated branch way out on its own in the viral family tree – meaning it’s the lone example of its kind, and doesn’t clump together with all the other known coronaviruses.
Both the H1N1 Swine Flu and COVID-19 sprung into existence spontaneously, and were distant off-shoots of any other known strain of flu – so why is there a scientific consensus that the former leaked out of a lab, while many insist the latter is entirely natural?
A virus gets weakened as its initially attempting to jump into a new host species, which is why this sequence of steps – one new host, a few new hosts that pass it among themselves temporarily, and then finally sustained transmission – takes at least several months if not years to play out, since a good bit of time is required for all three steps to occur. Viral trial-and-error is required for the virus to find the right mutations that will allow it to prosper in a new host species, it’s never been known to just happen magically all at once. People getting ill with non-transmittable Covid19 would be treated and noticed in all these steps.
And in 2018, a study looking for past infections by bat coronaviruses in Wuhan found no evidence whatsoever that anyone there had ever been infected by one at all, making the idea that these viruses have been circulating there entirely absurd.

Tinkering with viral genomes is not anything new, but is not something that has ever been fully embraced by the scientific community at large. About a decade ago, two separate research teams successful tweaked the genome of the H5N1 Bird Flu in just two spots and then passed it through ferrets until it became both airborne and pathogenic to mammals, creating a virus that “could make the deadly 1918 pandemic look like a pesky cold.” This involved selecting for a mutation that allowed the virus to access a receptor that’s found in ferret lungs, and was alarming enough that the research was urged to be published without revealing the specific methods involved and data collected – however it appears that only the most technical details were left out, and most of the research is freely available. 

Studies examining COVID-19’s infectivity in ferrets found that it spreads readily among them, and also appears airborne in that animal model, lending support to the idea that ferrets were used for serial passage. Further support for possibility that serial passage through lab animals played a role in the creation of COVID-19 comes from an April 2020 pre-print, which found that coronaviruses that target the ACE2 receptor bind with ferrets cells more tightly than any other species except the tree shrew, which only scored about 2% higher. Tree shrews have also been used for serial viral passage, and were promoted in a 2018 paper out of China as a preferable host for laboratory serial passage since they’re cheaper, smaller, easier to handle, and closer to humans evolutionarily and physiologically than ferrets.  Pangolins however, formed a much weaker bond than either, and were clustered way down on the list along with a handful of other much more unlikely intermediate animal hosts.

By 2015, Dr. Ralph Baric and his team at UNC were conducting research that was met with an enormous amount of concern, they successfully created a “chimeric, SARS-like virus” by altering the viral genome of a Chinese bat coronavirus’s spike-protein genes – sequences that code for the spikes that poke out from surface of viruses and allow them to unlock entry into hosts, in this case making the bio-engineered coronavirus incredibly contagious. This research raised eyebrows since it was clearly dual-use gain-of-function research, a practice banned in America from 2014 until December 2017 when NIH lifted the ban, specifically to allow research on this sort of virus. Looking at UNC’s gain-of-function research on coronavirus spike-proteins, which received its funding just before the ban was implemented and was only allowed to go forward following a special review, a virologist with the Louis Pasteur Institute of Paris warned: “If the [new] virus escaped, nobody could predict the trajectory.” 

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Sorry guys, but this is semantics.

This is a highly virulent virus, which means that if you are exposed there is a high probability of infection.  There are complex reasons why some people are severely affected, yet others may only be mildly affected.  But that relatively unaffected person can easily pass it on to multiple other people who can also be variously affected.  For example, the moron security guard I spoke to in the servo last night who doesn't need to wear a mask.  You know what dumbass, yes you do.

When this originally came out, I was not especially worried.  Masks are essentially about minimising droplet spread into the air or onto hard surfaces that other people can then come into contact with.  Back in March there was no presence of the virus out in the general community and therefore they were of no benefit.  Kids could still go to school and people could largely do normal things.  But since the virus entered the community from the overseas travellers quarantine farce, things are very different.  Masks are very important to minimise spread.  But continual hand washing, not touching your face after touching a potentially colonised surface, and by far - minimising contact with other people, is crucial.  I am now very worried.

Infection can result in a severe inflammatory response which leads to lung damage.  If you already have existing lung damage or other health issues, your ability to cope with infection is highly compromised and risk of death or serious consequence of infection dramatically increases. The nursing home situation has come about from one person being infected via the security guard farce, taking it home to a family member who works in nursing homes.  The casual nature of nursing home work means it was easily spread.  Same story with abattoirs.

If the virus gets out of control, thousands of people will die.  Including people just like you and your family.

Some people who survive will be left with prolonged serious consequences even after clearing the virus.  We are seeing younger people being left with ongoing cognitive effects (i.e brain function problems), ongoing lung and heart damage.  It's like the road toll.  300 people die from road accidents, but others not killed outright are left with long term injury concerns.  Don't assume you will be OK just because you're not in a nursing home.  Younger people die too.

This is exactly why we need a government.  Failures in government allowed it to escape into our community from quarantine failures.  Success in government have so far limited the spread.  Make no mistake, if we fail to restrict the virus, people like you will be at risk.  Hard decisions are required to limit mobility of infected people and therefore the spread of infection; and lockdowns and curfews, along with stopping more infected people arriving from overseas is the only way to ELIMINATE the virus.  Only by eliminating the virus can we ease the restrictions.  Then we need to stop more infection being brought in.

The eventual defeat of the virus will be effective vaccination, but it is unlikely we will have access to effective vaccination before May- June next year earliest.  So we will need to maintain high levels of vigilance, and international travel restriction until at least then.

India and Indonesia are a huge concern.

Understand the problem, and deal with it.  To have any prospect of returning to lower restrictions, we all need to do these simple things.

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"Only by eliminating the virus can we ease the restrictions. "

Not going to happen...  We have as much chance as with eliminating influenza or the common cold.  It will burn out and become less virulent via the normal mutations of viruses, but it will be around for decades. The chance of a successful vaccine is also very slim, but I suppose if its 50% effective it will be called a win for the billionaires behind it.

The safest assumption is that we will all get it sooner or later, and if your time is up you'll die. For those who go on living, the world will be slowly sliding back to the 1970s, then the 1960s, then the 1950s... Its no good having flash new electric cars when unemployment is 20% and inflation is the same. Empty shops, deserted malls, no 'luxuries', plenty of time at home but no holidays away...

Self-preservation will make people wash their hands and wear masks, not Govt thugs. Seeing someone you know die from it will sharpen your focus amazingly! But the reality is we are crushing the economy for people who are past their '3score years plus 10' and who would likely die within the next year anyway. Look upon it as an acceleration of inheritance, something that was going the other way in past decades.

The final result?  A generation of people where the young learn to live without jobs, the middle-aged find they have no savings and the old die from pneumonia in their 70s instead of their 80s or 90s. Somewhere along the line we have to pay for the money Govt is throwing around, be it in increased taxes or inflation, both will strip the middle-class of their wealth.

However, the new laws and the State of Emergency will go on much longer than the virus!  They'll be smashing down doors and seizing computers to see who is spreading anti-Govt rumours on the net about Covid, vaccines, biowarfare etc,  when talking about conspiracies is declared 'anti-social'.

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I'll just add.. I'm listening to NZ's best audio journalist, Leighton Smith, and he is interviewing the man who sent over 25years trying to convince the medicine/political system that stomach ulcers were not caused by stress and acid, but by a bacterial infection!  25years it took!  Now you will get anti-bacterial treatment if you have an ulcer, no problem.

Anyway, Professor Borody has cured people of Covid 19 with ivermectin, zinc and doxycycline.  From about 20minutes in-



So, the cure is there, but the political will, especially in the medical heirarchy and the multi-billion dollar drug industry, is not!

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Do we need a government in this crazy time? absolutely. 

Unfortunately i think the main issue we have lies with the Media. We are continually bombarded with covid related stuff that, for the general population who just gets their news from the media, are left confused due to the inconsistencies, confusion leads to frustration, and frustration leads to hate, and hate leads to suffering (bit dramatic, but i decided to include the yoda reference....)

It seems  (as well all already know), that every piece of information presented by any media is done so with some sort of bias. And then those in charge will modify the information they present to keep the media on their side and you end up with just bits and pieces of information spread around. and as you only see half hte picture all the time, perceived inconsistencies come up and all well and wel see paragraph 1. 

Even if you go looking for actual scientific information it is hidden away between opinions, biases, political games. 

I have family who work in the medial industry and i understand the risks but its just so disappointing to see a relatively small nation being so divided. You've got premiers playing political games over boarders, other premiers having a dig at them, i just don't think i've seen much evidence for "We are in this together" from the top. 

You Victorians are in a real pickle at the moment, but i think its worth questioning the numbers as ultimately the numbers are the thing that is being used to justify the actions of the government. I don't see much transparency. if they came out tomorrow and said "oh so the actual people who died of covid 19 is less than half the reported numbers, the rest all had *insert terrible disease* as well, would the restrictions/actions be different. Maybe. Maybe not.  

As someone who works in engineering so deals with risk analysis all day, it seems that there is not much actual consistent risk assessment going with restrictions. And im not sure who's fault this is. but rules are all over the place. some shops have rules, some do not. From the start i think the messages from the powers at be have been inconsistent, and it should surprise me, but i know how government departments, but its been quite an eye opener as to what level of communication you get in an event like this. And maybe there is more going on in the back ground, but as a casual observer it all looks quite disorganised. And the inconsistencies will only make people take it all less seriously. 

I actually don't see how we can return to any sort of normal without the vaccine, if it exists. and even then, the vaccine wont work on everyone, going to have to rely on herd immunity and all that, which will take time. So arguable we will be dealing with covid-19 for many years to come. 

Lastly, man i do not want to be in charge right now. Every decision is a "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. And even if you chooser the less or two evils using risk analysis techniques, the media will crucify you no matter what decision you make. 



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We can ‘eliminate’ it, but that refers to removing it from circulating in a specific area, then stop it being reintroduced. NZ have proved this, the question is how did it get back in there again.

Of course this raises hard questions about economic impact, and my Teenage daughter getting upset she can’t go to parties and see her friends. 

Unfortunately this is the goal until such time as an effective vaccine is available, as only that will break the cycle.   And that’s likely to be a good 9 mths away. 

It’s the same as polio, small pox etc. All virulent deadly diseases that killed millions and severely harmed others. But in our first world bubble, we forget these realities. In some areas of the world, vaccine preventable diseases continue to kill thousands.becaude of political/ideological resistance

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