ke10jr Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Ive been thinking about this for a while and cannot understand why early mazda r100...ect are worth more than ke1X's!! Ke1x are alot harder to come by than the old mazdas yet the prices are way different! I thought rare cars hold a much higher value?? Will our corollas ever be worth what the mazdas are worth?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coln72 Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Old piston powered Mazdas are hanging onto the skirts of their rotary sisters. So they are valuable to people wanting to recreate a R100 or to easily get a quick race/drag car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
styler Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) The one difference is that the toyotas were underpowered and were limited on power output, mazdas had the famed rotary motor and were an easy engine swap, cheap to increase power and could retrofit a later factory turbo engine. Mazdas were much quicker, hence had more development, parts and interest and so were more sought after and so the value was higher. The rotary motor is very efficient in regards to being light and compact but producing huge power, so you can fit it into a small lightweight chassis, certainly not efficient in rebuilds or fuel consumption and also lacks low down torque so corner exit speeds can be average for circuit, but drag racing is very popular with high hp setups. Why would you want the value of the humble corolla to increase, its better for you if its cheaper to play with! Edited January 11, 2012 by styler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blktoy35 Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 the jdm oldschool toyotas fetch descent prices... mazda fetch due to the cult status of the rotary ones as mentioned and being able to swap the piston engines for rotary ones easy enough.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philbey Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Ive been thinking about this for a while and cannot understand why early mazda r100...ect are worth more than ke1X's!! Ke1x are alot harder to come by than the old mazdas yet the prices are way different! I thought rare cars hold a much higher value?? Will our corollas ever be worth what the mazdas are worth?? Where do you find r100s in more plentiful supply than ke10s please pm me the details so I can book my car carrier! Seriously though, all the early factory rotors are rare as hell, especially ones that haven't been completely molested with a set of Simmons and a gaudy metallic painjob. As fare as KE corollas being rare, the only ones that are rare in Australia are the SL sprinters. Ke10s certainly aren't rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tally Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 (edited) You can't compare r100s or rx2s rx3s rx4s to early corollas. For example Mazda only made 90,000 r100s worldwide compared to approx 500,000 KE1#'s worldwide Toyota made shitloads of KE1# KE2# and don't get started on KE3#s. You couldnt even compare the corollas to the piston powered Mazda's such as the 1200, 1300, 808 929 etc, Toyota was much more experienced in building cars by the late 60s early 70s then Mazda, as Toyota has a longer history then Mazda at building cars, hence the build quality in my eyes was better by Toyota. Corollas don't fetch much (here anyway, japan another story as they got the TE models) because we got the base grade models, same as the Mazda's, but the rotary is what made the Mazda's popular and now valuable. Edited January 12, 2012 by Tally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil86 Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Agreed rotary has helped the mazdas and easy sr20 conversions have helped datsuns(although is the conversion any more difficult into a ke?) and also as mentioned the rarer sportier rollas our overseas friends got are quite rare and expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Try to buy any sub 80's rwd car cheaply (now we will have people saying 'yeah I have' but you can't do it everyday), Mitsubishi is another one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil86 Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Yea Mitsubishi is cheaper than rollas are they ie sigma? My mum and were telling me that back the day they used to buy datsuns for like $500 with rego then if something went wrong just buy another one, they were that cheap lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Yea Mitsubishi is cheaper than rollas are they ie sigma? My mum and were telling me that back the day they used to buy datsuns for like $500 with rego then if something went wrong just buy another one, they were that cheap lol. Try to buy a sigma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil86 Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Geez your right just had a flick on carsales one in average condition w/out rego $800 then everything else over $2k but really I guess that is equal price wise older rollas, but they seem rarer only 6 in total on carsales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 (edited) Geez your right just had a flick on carsales one in average condition w/out rego $800 then everything else over $2k but really I guess that is equal price wise older rollas, but they seem rarer only 6 in total on carsales Yeah, used to be able to get them for under 500 bucks with rego. EDIT: I have always wanted to get another 910 bluebird, when I had mine you could buy a TRX for 1000 bucks in good nick, now it is hard to get a normal one for that price. Edited January 12, 2012 by Trev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philbey Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 (edited) And they're really really knackered these days. Even a Perfect nick bluebird still has the shitty electrics and possibly the worst window mechanisms in the history of motoring..... Edited January 12, 2012 by philbey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 And they're really really knackered these days. Even a Perfect nick bluebird still has the shitty electrics and possibly the worst window mechanisms in the history of motoring..... What shitty electrics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philbey Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Myself, my mate and his brother all had s3 blueys. One of them was spotless. All 3 of them had strange problems with indicators, every now and then they would just run the hazards on indicate. Simple fix: belt the dash just below the hazard switch. Also random problems with the idiot lights, just intermittently come on then randomly turn off some weeks later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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