oldeskewltoy Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 A delicate dance... titled as such because OST-031 and OST-030 will be built almost simultaneously. As you can see... OST-030 in the background, with 2 heads in front Clients head on the left.... anyone see an issue?? How about if we isolate the two sets of chambers.... clients head on top It's replacement on the bottom See anything now?? Closer?? I've dismantled the replacement and I've sent it on to get cleaned and pressure checked.... So with it @ the shop to get cleaned, the delicate dance proceeds as I move back to OST-030 More to come... :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twincam16seca Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Well that doesn't look right... 8/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldeskewltoy Posted April 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Well that doesn't look right... 8/ nope it doesn't... that is why we replaced that head.... So with it @ the shop to get cleaned' date=' the delicate dance proceeds More to come... :D[/quote'] So now that OST-030 is @ the shop getting its valve job, work on OST-031 begins..... A slightly different angle view on the intake bowls, and chambers... a bit more vertical This view allows us to see the back of the bowl where it meets the valve seat. Now when I titled this thread "A delicate dance" originally it was based on working OST-030 side by side with OST-031... BUT OST-031's title has new meaning.... Note how close the gasket edge is to the port outlet roofs... best noticed on end ports, 4 is done, #1 on right is yet to be touched On #4 (the one done) there was less that .010" to the edge of the gasket. Typically I have over 1/2mm (.0197") or even more! more to come....... :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldeskewltoy Posted April 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Don't tell anyone' date=' all gasket manufacturers are the only ones to really know the real speed secrets of every head. [/quote'] I hear what I BELIEVE you are saying... I only use OEM gaskets when I work the head, because OEM tends to have more consistancy........ I've gotten a bit further since my last post..... and in more detail.... 2 slightly different views... 1st internally exhaust port #2's transition and from a slightly different POV...... #3's transition More to come...... :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldeskewltoy Posted May 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Wouldn't these "bad" heads have better pressure recovery zones? not disputed.... BUT.. the time required/amount of work involved makes it significantly less desirable. Also to consider is the irregularity of the "flaw"s occurance. chamber #1 has no "flaw"... chamber #4 has only a minor "flaw". Do I weld up chambers 1 and 4 and shape them to equal the finished chambers of 2 and 3? My typical finished head goes out the door for under $1500' date=' some under $1000 so... to again answer your question... Yes... these heads would have better pressure recovery, but the work involved makes it less affordable/attractive. "Pressure Recovery" - is a concept researched by Darren Morgan (Induction Research and Development expert). In essence..... 'pressure recovery' refers to efficient slowing of fluid velocity and transforming the kinetic energy into pressure. In the runner, and especially through a partially-open valve, the velocity is high and the pressure low. In the cylinder, the opposite is true. A gradual transition, as in the exit contour of a carb venturi or through a tapered-hole carb spacer, accomplishes this. Blasting a high-speed air jet into a a big, still cylinder does not. to simplify this even more(to better visualize)... think of the valve opening inside a funnel..... :bounce: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ke70dave Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) Very interesting stuff. Do you tend to use a flow test bench to validate the work you do? Edited May 10, 2015 by ke70dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldeskewltoy Posted May 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Do you tend to use a flow test bench to validate the work you do? yes...... I don't test each head I do, unless the client wants(spends for) verified results. I typically experiment on a mule, then test the work I do. Once I find an area or procedure that is effective, I incorporate it into my work. 4AG.... 7MG SR20DE As to the accuracy/consistency of my work... this chart shows less than a 1.5% difference between the flow of 4 exhaust ports Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ke70dave Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Ah that is interesting. Thankyou for the ohotos. If you don't mind me asking what pressure drop over the valve do you test at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldeskewltoy Posted May 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Ah that is interesting. Thankyou for the ohotos. If you don't mind me asking what pressure drop over the valve do you test at? I typically set the flowbench to test @ 25". Yes... I know the norm is 28" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldeskewltoy Posted May 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 With OST-030 heading back to its owner, and OST-032 at the shop getting cleaned and pressure checked, there is a window of time to check chamber volumes on OST-031, and then re-assemble. This time I got 35.6 on #1, and #2, #3 was 35.3, and #4 was 35.5 Soooo... I did a little adjustment on chambers 3 and 4 and got both to 35.6 Chamber and bowls... before.... and after Assembly to follow...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldeskewltoy Posted May 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 If you had to guess how many hours would you say went into this one? port work - about 30 hours : chamber deshrouding' date=' and equalizing chamber volumes - 6 hours : waiting for the machine shop to do their thing - 2 weeks Found another suspect retainer... swapped it out [img']http://ost.ebeans.ch/albums/userpics/10005/retainer_flaw.jpg[/img] The head is now ready for its cams..... More to come....... :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldeskewltoy Posted May 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 The dance continues.... although now I'm dancing with the valve clearances... with 13 valves headed back to the machine shop to get tipped... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldeskewltoy Posted May 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 what happened to the other three? if you crank your neck 85 degrees to the left.... ;) you can see intake valve #2 is currently @ .010" (spec is .008"), with a .1122" shim. This means replacing with an .1142" shim should get me to spec. The other 2 intake valve, 5 and 6, are currently @ .008" with the .1122 shim. The other 13 were significantly tighter, and if I had a full stock of thin shims (.0984" through .1024") I might just shim it... but I TRY to think of the client/next guy... and if I keep common shim types in there, when this client goes for camshafts in his future... he should still be within standard - common size shim distances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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