lol yeah the excel owner seems a bit ZOMG I OWN A TURBO EXCEL, speaking of him at truck city last night he tried doing a burnout leaving, revs up, smoke flying out of the exhaust and I think he just managed to get a little smoke from the fronts not sure though still blowing a crap load of smoke from the exhaust lol. Saying he spent $20,000 on the excel is a waste is kinda like spending $20,000 grand on my ae82 lol, i have already spent like 8 including purchase and if I decide to turbo it that figure will jump to around 20 :) but yeah I would rather have a turbo corolla then a turbo excel anyday lol :kiwi: