B-B-Benne

i rolled the stoopid liberty two days ago. back to the drawing board...

advice? think it through in its entirety before starting up that oxy cutter. try and imagine the effect of metal removal, imagine where the stress is going to be diverted to if or when you get it going...don't rely on the roof or pillars to keep the chassis straight...if you're caging, integrate the cage to the chassis at lots of points. triangulate it. use gussets to improve the strength of the shell. if you're cutting into the firewall and or trans tunnel, use a thicker material to replace it with and overlap it with drilled welding holes to maintain its uniformity under stress....metal fatigue can rip metal in two like a tin can, think of your safety first and do NOT cut any corners. thats about it.....i need another beer.

oh and you have been reading too much Zoom.... i pity that 180 Mr. T style that 180 Mr T style.... what the? i saw a neat hilux in a carpark and went and spoke to the bloke and it turns out his car is turbocharged.... what's so 180 Mr T about that, biggo???

here's a pic http://4age.net/events/atd_01/007.jpg also have a look at 'fensport' - they are a UK mob but have an extensive knowledge of all things good. i mean toyota. (my bad)

i'm not sure if this has been mentoned yet but.....quite some time ago in a 'Fast Fours' magazine there was a feature on a whole heap of different cars that had been converted to the SR20 way...including but not limited to a TA22, KE70, XU1, Datsun 1200...i think the guy who did the conversion on the KE70 was with a company called Smart Engine conversions (0417 780 328 - Brian) ummm i'm pretty sure they're still going and from what i remember to have read in the article, it wasn't that expensive... best of luck!

update as of 11/04/06 yesterday the devil tempted me with a cheap TE gemini...and i said no......on the weekend i saw something that made my hairy head stand on end...i saw a turbocharged 3rz-fe in a hilux. and then i saw what it did to the rear tyres. poor lil rubber things. they didn't deserve that. for those who don't know, a 3rz-fe is a standard '99 hilux petrol motor, a 2.7L (2936cc) four cylinder with a scissor gear twin cam arrangement (like so many toyota engines) its bore and stroke makes it a square engine (like the thundering 2jz) at 95mm each...this guy had stock cams, a hybrid nissan turbo and a wicked inlet manifold...it really got me thinking. even without a turbo (to start with), getting one of these puppies into a KE70 bay would NOT be difficult..the firewall can stay (at least for the timebeing), the stock box can be used...the engine is torquey and doesn't rev...but it doesn't need to, it's a 2.7 four cylinder!!!! so there it is, gentlemen. i'm thinking i'll save the 1UZ (with twins) idea for a high speed spec car (highway work) rather than a drifter...but i'd love to hear what everyone thinks of this. gentlemen! start your flames! btw rollaclub, a workshop specialising in early compact RWD cars is in the pipeline...feedback?

hi everyone its been some time since my last post...i'm in warwick now...trying to sell my subaru so i can start this thing...i've been spending all my money makin the sube look a million bucks....seeing as i "bought" it for $200 i'm willing to put a bit in...i think i can get 5k for it now, no worries...its a 91 liberty sedan, gold, very clean...hasn't been thrashed at all (looks innocent) i'm itching to get starting on this thing...it really sux when you have an idea like this cuz you want to be the first to do it properly... just hope non of you mofos gets any ideas... Ben oh btw i might be reconsidering the engine for maximum drift potential....but don't flame me yet, i still think a 1UZ is a fantabulous idea...

this lil newbie will be there...

nick) that sounds awesome, i appreciate the invite, i'm well familiar with hinze...what time should i rock up? love ke70) that is just wrong. when i first saw that lil fan sitting all the way back in the 'bay i thought is was a 12A or cappacino motor shoved through the firewall....but that...that's beyond messy...i don't think i could live with myself if i put a car through that...even a panel van... hey if you need a ride down for the BBQ and back say the word...as i said, thats close...even in my crappy subaru... btw guys if you click on the link i posted earlier you'll see a (T04?) hanging off the side of the 1ggte in its previous setup...still reckon you could go another frame size larger tho :wink:

hahaha! thats the exact car i was thinking of, i saw it on this site: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/showthread.php?t=9204 if it's not the same car i'd be surprised...anyway...you wanna put twins on it??? its a 2L y'know...have you located a manifold for the twins?...if you're going to get on fabricated, try and keep the pipe diameter no bigger than port size...maybe even a tiny bit smaller... well i guess there isn't much point me comin up if its just rolling...very nice car tho!

love ke70: is is white by any chance?...with the sloped headlights? (83 isn't it?) i'd like to see how it handles, you're only at yattala, i'm at murwillumbah (for me thats close) any chance we arrange a meet before the 10th? i'm going back down to Warwick... increased weight=increased inertia...did i say it the other way around?...heheh...

At Warwick TAFE, there's a suzuki mighty boy with a superchrged rover V8 mated to a manually controlled subaru automatic...its mid mounted...looks kinda angry... if you have the time, money and skill, MAKE IT FIT or lots of money. :)

dedicated lemon care of krusty: starting with a stripped ke70 shell: (82 vintage) -weld rear doors shut -seam weld chassis -modified firewall and trans tunnel to accomodate 1uz anchor, fabricated from slightly thicker panels -rollcage install, completely integrated with bodyshell >triangulated design, picking up on suspension mounts, pillars, chassis rails >x-bars across front doors, 2 x-bars in rear section, one vert, one 45'. >squahed pipe section with insert, similar to aus police pursuit cages (which incidentally, fits inside their high density plastic trim) :) >additional underbody and suspension braces rear suspension: -shortened falcodore axle assembly (length taken from outside diff housing) >fabricated pickups on chassis, rose jointed adjustable length 4 link & watts linkage, pickups tied into cage >coilovers mounted from shock mounts on axle to fabricated pickups, also tied in to cage -solid swaybar -hilux lsd?...aftermarket 1.5 way mechanical plate type lsd...kaaz maybe? front suspension: -fabricated lower arms, spacer under outside balljoint, rose jointed. (atm i'm trying to see if its possible to adapt some s14 hubs...including brake calipers, steering rack...this looks to be waaay more labour intensive so its undecided) -? struts...large bore shocks (dms 40/50mm?) i hate flex in front shocks.... :( other stuff: -1UZFE mounted in a front/midships position, the front of the engine is in line with the front axle... -dellow bellhousing to adapt 1uz to v160 getrag 6 speed (supra)...unfortunately because of the length of this 'box and the position i'd like the engine, a custom linkage is going to have to be fabricated...which is a shame but if designed and built correctly, i won't loose tooo much shifting feel... -fabricated tailshaft and yokes...i'm thinking hilux again... because of the engine i'm probably going to have to use an upside down brake booster (surf i think?) and, hopefully not but at the worst fabricate a different setup in the cabin... -autronic sm4 computer...fresh r33 gtr fuel pump, swirl pot, triple pass alloy rad, gaping hole in the bonnet, front undertrays, HID headlights, Convo Pro rims, autometer gauges in original squarey dash... as you can see there's not only a shyteload of fab to be done but it has to be done very accurately...and unfortunately, if i crash and twist the chassis...well....all that's for nothing. but hey, if you've ever heard a 1uz in a soarer or celsior with an exhaust, you might begin to understand why i'm going for this...thanks for any responses you may offer!

love ke70: um. okay maybe i should change my name to krusty...i'm seriously surprised to hear that about the weight.... Increasing inertia will increase weight, reducing responsiveness...i plan to combat this by increasing the track, increasing the mechanical grip and maximising the front/rear weight balance as much as possible...i mean...you never know, i might end up with a car that is completely different to what i was expecting and have spent huge amounts of time and money creating my very own lemon...i'm just going to have to try and keep my head on and be realistic with what i'm trying to achieve... btw what the hell kind of (engine?) is that... i'm going to post up the details next but there is so much that is still under question, guys feel free to correct me on any of the following ideas! ps drifting is easiest when the weight balance resides between (f/r) 70/30 and 55/45...silvias weight balance has evolved over the years, yet the s13 with an rb engine drifts well... :)

rollaboy: i apologise if i have offended you. the responses to my topic were fair and friendly. >> if anyone thinks this isn't a complete waste of time let me know and i'll post up the build details...still in paper at this point but juts gimme some time... >> i posted the question because i thought some of the people reading it would have been interested in the approach i'm taking....obviously not everyone...but i love a challenge, and preliminary measurements indicate it's not going to be the tooo hard... as far as i know, no-one has tried using a shortened falcon axle in a corolla...i don't see any in d1, in the oz drift nats, nz drift...no-where. they all stick with the panhard...so naturally, i want to see if and how well it might work...if i manage to get the placement of the engine/gearbox right, the car isn't going to be front weight biased...it might just all actually WORK...i thought some people might be interested in my ideas... sorry for wasting space, rollaclub.

okay...i didn't mean to stir up the mud but... if an iron block 4 cylinder weighs less than a 1UZ, i'm krusty the clown. how does mounting a 1uz as far back in the bay as possible make it a "boat anchor"??? this particular V8 is scarcely longer than the engine i would be pulling out...it is wider and taller however... why a V8? simple. no need for a turbo. no need for a sudden exponential increase in torque....just a nice, fat curve to play with... i appreciate everything that has been said here, and while i might be digging my own grave posting this, i'm going ahead with this project. Ben btw rollabuoy...i can handle myself in a car, okay sweety?

0-kay. i can live with the necessity of a rollcage but...well...to me, keeping an engine stock means you can replace it with another one quick smart, if needs be....having a light ( rigid enough) body with a decently powerful engine WITH a decent front/rear weight balance still kinda makes sense to me...increasing the track to enable more stability and a whole host of other chassis tricks is what sets this project apart from what i've seen anyone do...period. i've seen and been in quite a few "wild" cars...i'm trying to keep this simple. thanks for the input tho jamie!

1st post so if this has been previously discussed, don't shoot me.yet. i'm thinking of a light weight, well balanced car that has growth potential, lots of grip and is still small and chuckable...to me, shoe horning an all alloy 1uzfe into a ke70 makes perfect sense. sure, to get the front/rear weight spot on, it will require some reworking of the firewall and trans tunnel (v160's aren't small) but given adequate thought, time , effort and a bit of money, it can be done...adapting a falcon rear axle with its four link + watts link arrangement makes even MORE sense...more grip means more speed, more angle etc etc... if anyone thinks this isn't a complete waste of time let me know and i'll post up the build details...still in paper at this point but juts gimme some time...when i'm used to the car's beaviour i'll be thinking twins...cheers :S