Ke70 Suspension Set-up?

[NE1469R]

i bet this question is asked countless times...

 

but I'm after a good suspension set up for a ke70, coilovers arent an option at this stage.

 

i was thinking about AE86 front struts, with lowered springs and shocks to suit.

 

i would really like to know from all the experience out there. it will be used for some track work, but I'm after a good package for daily/track.

 

also what swaybars, strut braces work well.

 

 

give me the low down fella's.....

[LittleRedSpirit]

:yes:

 

Read the faq. There is a search box down the bottom of a forum, use it and get back to us in a few days with some more specific questions. Its all there just gotta look. Have a look in rides and projects and see what people run, and what they do with it. Cheers.

[NE1469R]

forgive me...i havent read through the FAQ

 

but looking through countless rides + projects.

 

alot of people just run falcon cut springs. the lovells seem a good price, but are they too soft for drift/track work?

 

are the front struts really worth changing over to AE86 variants?

 

is the chassis in a ke70 flexible enough to warrant the use of a front strut brace.

 

so many questions, so little time....

[superbmobile]

a good effective set-up to use is as you said sprinter struts they give you a 10mm brake upgrade over a standard ke70/ae71 disc plus more choice of upgradeable brakes such as magna/ fc etc. Get some kyb agx shocks for the front and get some 8kgmm front springs. For rear use 6kg rear and just get some kyb excel g short stroke gas shocks to suit a suzuki seiera. This set-up will be ideal for track work and drift. If you want a softer set-up use both the same shocks and lower the spring rate to 6kg up front and 4kg on the rear or 6kg all around these set-ups work well and handle great. You can gain cheap camber by using Rt142 corona lower control arms giving you approx 20mm extended track and approximately 2degrees negative camber, Adjustable Sway bars make a major difference tightening the rear and front end to reduce sway and body roll throughout the entire car. New polyurethane bushes throughout the car are great making the car feel less sloppy and give it sharper response these are a must for any type of set-up car because 25 year old bushes are horribly worn and destroy handling horribly. Strut braces are great reducing twist in the chassis. If you want to go real far you can use rose joints and roll cages but it just depends how much money you have you can spend thousands on set-ups it just depends how far you want to take the car and to what level.

[NE1469R]

that was EXACTLY what I'm after, thanks mate.

 

what springs would you recommend though?

 

 

cheers

Edited February 27, 2008 by NE1469R

[irokin]

Just watch your spring rates. Please don't copy other peoples spring rates and perpetuate the "stiff springs are great!" falsity. I bet someone will jump on here now and go "I'm running 10kg springs in the front of my car and its great!". No its only great because you've never tried good spring rates matched to GOOD shock absorbers. Stiff springs don't allow the shock absorber to do its job so wheres the point having shocks?.

 

If you're going to be even half serious about this contact a suspension engineer. I use a guy whos an ex-V8 supercar suspension engineer and he makes possibly the best off the shelf (to an extent, the shocks are revalved and dynoed) kit available for my car in the world. While he doesn't have any kits specifically for corollas he should be able to recommend a shock/spring combo thats far more in the ballpark than the clueless crap sold by corolla "specialists".

[LittleRedSpirit]

Basically, stiffer is great for less traction, softer gives more traction. On drift you want one, on a track you want the other. The fronts could be left at a 6kg rate for both. A cheap and cheerful way to get the best of both worlds may be to get adjustable shock absorbers, and leave the front well enough alone bar damper adjustment and then just swap the back springs for some stiff ones on drift day and crack the dampers up a bit harder.

[NE1469R]

ah thanks for the reply's guys, helped greatly.

 

sorry i was asking what brand springs would you recommend?

 

and what a good place to source these suspension parts through?

 

cheers

[superbmobile]

ah thanks for the reply's guys, helped greatly.

 

sorry i was asking what brand springs would you recommend?

 

and what a good place to source these suspension parts through?

 

cheers

 

Go on ae86 driving club and enter the commercial sales section there's a guy on there under the label (AJPS) his names David Lawson he should be able to sort you out.

[superbmobile]

Just watch your spring rates. Please don't copy other peoples spring rates and perpetuate the "stiff springs are great!" falsity. I bet someone will jump on here now and go "I'm running 10kg springs in the front of my car and its great!". No its only great because you've never tried good spring rates matched to GOOD shock absorbers. Stiff springs don't allow the shock absorber to do its job so wheres the point having shocks?.

 

Precisely spring rates will only become noticeable with a matching sufficient shock absorber to match them. There's no point of running a heavy spring rate with shock absorbers that are f@$ked.

[irokin]

Basically, stiffer is great for less traction, softer gives more traction. On drift you want one, on a track you want the other. The fronts could be left at a 6kg rate for both. A cheap and cheerful way to get the best of both worlds may be to get adjustable shock absorbers, and leave the front well enough alone bar damper adjustment and then just swap the back springs for some stiff ones on drift day and crack the dampers up a bit harder.

 

You don't even need to go that far. You can use both spring rates, same shock settings, all you really need to change is your wheel alignment.

 

Go on ae86 driving club and enter the commercial sales section there's a guy on there under the label (AJPS) his names David Lawson he should be able to sort you out.

 

His name is pretty muddy on rollaclub because of his actions in the past (on rollaclub). I would suggest GSL Rallysport. My preference in springs is Eibach but many consider them too pricey (I didn't think so?).

[NE1469R]

thanks mate, i'll check out GSL

[Budowski]

As I'm new here this is the 2nd time ive heard ajps and David Lawson mentioned as "muddy" or dodgey. Is this beacuase of his products? or some kinda social falling out<the later i not interested in> if so, were i to spend money with this supplier am i lead to beleave I'm going to have a product fail after spending alot of time and money getting what others reguard as a good setup ? not here to start wars but gotta know the real deal if money is changing hands

[LittleRedSpirit]

As I'm new here this is the 2nd time ive heard ajps and David Lawson mentioned as "muddy" or dodgey. Is this beacuase of his products? or some kinda social falling out<the later i not interested in> if so, were i to spend money with this supplier am i lead to beleave I'm going to have a product fail after spending alot of time and money getting what others reguard as a good setup ? not here to start wars but gotta know the real deal if money is changing hands

 

 

Nobody wants to go down the road of explaining everything which has ever transpired. Deal with him if you want, its a free country. Best to take in everyone opinions and make up your own mind. GSL supports Rollaclub, so I support GSL. Hes really good to deal with.

Edited March 4, 2008 by LittleRedSpirit

[Budowski]

haha ok guess better not ask that question again seems a sore topic

 

ill give both a call