belly_up Posted August 2, 2005 Report Posted August 2, 2005 Hey All, My name is Adam, and i'm currently in the process of fixing up a KE30 to be a daily driver. The problem i have at the moment is that the wheels i've sourced foul on the struts, and i imagine it will only get worse once tyres are fitted. So what i want to know, is do all the 4 * 114.3 RWD 'rollas run the same offset between the strut body and the wheel bolt up face, or will a later model hub (perhaps one that came factory fitted with wider tyres than a ke30) give me more clearance? If there is nothing available i will turn up some proper bolt on spacers with correct concentric locating rings, but i'd prefer to keep this as legal (and cheap :P) as possible. Cheers Adam Quote
demuire Posted August 2, 2005 Report Posted August 2, 2005 (edited) Hi Adam, IIRC, on a stock setup you'll need at most a 120mm backspacing to clear the strut comfortably. From my experience *most* RWD offset rims will have this backspacing. If I'm not mistaken there are a few that have slightly less, like I think Sigma rims and TRX bluebird rims, I think they have slightly under 120mm backspacing. Where are you? *edit* changed "least" to "most", I think that's what it's supposed to say. Brain not working... Edited August 2, 2005 by demuire Quote
belly_up Posted August 2, 2005 Author Report Posted August 2, 2005 Hey Fook, I'm in Brisbane (Toowong). we've actually kinda met once at the cinemas, i climb with QUT :P i think you may have hit the nail on the head there, whilst these rims are supposed to be off a KE55, i'm led to believe that they were most recently fitted to a Sigma, so they may have that little bit less backspace. I'll go and grab a rim out of my bedroom, and measure the backspacing... Cheers Adam Quote
belly_up Posted August 2, 2005 Author Report Posted August 2, 2005 125mm backspace, which puts me 5mm closer to the strut than your 120mm figure, which seems to agree with what i'm seeing. Quote
demuire Posted August 2, 2005 Report Posted August 2, 2005 Ah right, small world :P What sort of rims are they? Are they the stock Sigma alloys? Any photos? If the rims are very close to the strut, you'll most definately have problems with the tyres. You *could* half get away with the problem by running skinnier tyres (since they won't bulge as much in the sidewall), but ideally you don't want that. 14" rims to suit a KE30 should be fairly easy to come by, generally from about $100 a set, on average generally about $150 a set, for 14x6's. If you need help finding a set let me know. Quote
belly_up Posted August 2, 2005 Author Report Posted August 2, 2005 Fook, thanks for the reply the wheels are these ones... http://www.rollaclub.com/board/index.php?showtopic=3981 They're pretty :P they foul the strut by less than 0.5mm (so close that the right strut just scrapes and the left strut just clears) so any spacer i made would just be to clear the sidewall bulge really. I have stolen the tyres off my real project car (this is a very budget project) and will get them fitted onto the rims to see how they look. the tyres are 195/65R14, so they're fairly narrow for a 7in rim. Any thoughts on the different KE front hubs? Cheers Adam Quote
demuire Posted August 2, 2005 Report Posted August 2, 2005 To my knowledge there are no "bolt on hubs" to suit a KE30 that would give more clearance, if there was I'd have them, because as it is I'm having major dramas trying to find rims to fit my car, my brakes are very big and the calipers hit the spokes. I recon you'd want at least 5mm between the rim and the strut to allow for sidewall bulge and also flex. 195/65R14 tyres are too big for a KE30, would throw your speedo out and may be illegal too, 195 is fine for a 7" rim though. Ideally you'd want either a 185/60R14 (a bit narrow for 7"), or a 195/55R14 (I don't know if anyone even makes this size), or even a 205/50R14 (again don't know availability), but that's getting a bit wide for a car as light as a KE30. It looks like spacers are going to be your best bet, but as you know, spacers aren't legal. Apparently bolt on ones can be engineered to be legal, I don't know. Anyway, let me know how you go, I'd be interested to find out what you decide to do. Quote
demuire Posted August 2, 2005 Report Posted August 2, 2005 What I might do if I remember, is measure how much clearance I have on my car tonight. I know I don't have all that much clearance either, and I've never had trouble with the tyres rubbing on the struts. If anything at all I have trouble on the other side of the wheel, my tyres don't fit under my guards and as a result, I have no paint on the insides of wheel arches... That said, my struts aren't Corolla struts, and I have more than 100mm of extra track on the front of my car, so any measurements from my car are probably irrelavant. Quote
belly_up Posted August 2, 2005 Author Report Posted August 2, 2005 yeah i knew my tyres would be illegal, the increase in rolling diameter over stock is about 50mm. I had figured that if i was using illegal spacers then illegal tyres wouldn't make things much worse, authorities wise. 205/50R14s would be fine with me, but it's just a matter of finding some 2nd hand ones that are cheap yet roadworthy. Haven't done much chasing in that direction yet, as i wanted to make some sort of decision on whether i can use these rims or not. The other option is to go back to 165's on stock steelies, i don't really mind for the purpose i intend. spent a destructive afternoon arguing with rust.... Quote
demuire Posted August 2, 2005 Report Posted August 2, 2005 Sounds like fun. 165's on stock steelies suck, at least get 14" steelies with like 185/60R14 tyres or something... Illegal spacers is harder to pick than illegal tyres :P Quote
belly_up Posted August 2, 2005 Author Report Posted August 2, 2005 i was hoping the illegal tyres wouldn't stand out tooo much, given that they're still on 14's. :P in all honesty, if anyone wants to swap some pretty rims with no rubber for some 14" steelies with decent rubber, i'd more than consider it given the limited time i have available to sort this thing out. Quote
Super Jamie Posted August 2, 2005 Report Posted August 2, 2005 110mm backspacing on 15s clears a corolla strut, 120mm backspacing fouls obviously if you go bigger in rim size, you get more room to play with, if you go smaller you get less room to play with Quote
belly_up Posted August 2, 2005 Author Report Posted August 2, 2005 on my $125 daily driver? not likely :P but the tyres will foul on the actual strut body anyway, not the spring or spring platform. Quote
demuire Posted August 2, 2005 Report Posted August 2, 2005 Why on earth would you need coilovers for this? No, you don't. In fact, coilovers make it worse, because then you typically have the threaded part where the wheel is. Normally the spring seat is higher than the wheel. Jamie: Ah yes, 110mm sounds more familiar. Adam: In all honesty, I doubt you'd get pulled over if you were running 195/60's on a Corolla, but if they wanted to get you for it, they could. Quote
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