teza40 Posted January 6, 2013 Report Posted January 6, 2013 Hello to all that are knowladgeable on the thing i hate the most about cars - Auto electrics!!! As title states,at my daughters request and her lack of paitence and understanding to learn/drive a manual.I have fitted a 3 speed tri- hard- matic to the ke38 panel van... Car still retains manual wirring loom and currnetly as of today starts without neutral safety switch set up,now normally that wouldnt bother me if it was to be my car and it also didnt have to go for a Qld roadworthy. So to all the cluey auto electric lovers out there....where can i or how do i splice into loom to make this conversion 1....safe for my daughter 2......legal to pass roadworthy... Cheers for any help Teza40 Terry Quote
Medicine_Man Posted January 6, 2013 Report Posted January 6, 2013 should be an inhibitor switch on the gear selector somewhere. just make it break the starter circuit with that switch. (can only crank in park/neutral) Quote
teza40 Posted January 6, 2013 Author Report Posted January 6, 2013 Cheers Medicine_ Man, Yes the shifter came complete with the mentioned inhibitor switch and the wirring/long pig tail with green plug. My guess is wires for neutral switch and reverse lights...pretty sure has 4 wires ( can check this).. Is there a electrical schematic for ke series starter circut on this forum? Old bloke like me needs as much help as possible with auto electrics lol Regards Teza40 Quote
Medicine_Man Posted January 6, 2013 Report Posted January 6, 2013 Here is a KE70 diagram for the Inhibitor Switch (Starter Circuit) contacts for the switch should be common in park and neutral. Reverse switch is Ignition fed. Quote
teza40 Posted January 6, 2013 Author Report Posted January 6, 2013 Thankyou Medicine_Man....see how i go with it.... Regards Teza40 Quote
teza40 Posted January 12, 2013 Author Report Posted January 12, 2013 Hey Medicine_Man.... Ok so today i got a chance to look into this neutral safety switch deal a bit more,going by the diagram you posted up for me the BW wires (which there are two off) from the switch only need to be spliced into the BW wire coming from the ignition switch? So i cut the two BW wires from switch pigtail and spliced open the sheath exposing the BW wire from igniton switch...still cranks in any gear.....so then the two L (light blue) - Red wires i spliced similar into the matching colour coded wire from ignition switch.....still cranks in any gear... So obviously I'm doing something wrong perhaps.... Included photos.....any thoughts or help much appreciated.. Regards Terry Quote
altezzaclub Posted January 12, 2013 Report Posted January 12, 2013 On the Ke70 its pretty similar, the black ones carry the ignition, red the reverse lights, green the gearlever light. Check that the lever works mechanically and cuts the connection between the two B/W wires. What I found is in here- http://www.rollaclub.com/board/topic/58879-how-to-convert-an-auto-to-a-manual-ke70/page__pid__590801#entry590801 Quote
teza40 Posted January 12, 2013 Author Report Posted January 12, 2013 Thankyou altezzaclub, Perhaps going by last couple of replies, i need to splice one BW from neutral switch to BW ignition switch.....then do the same with power for reverse lights .....then the other BW & Light blue/red link together.....seems strange but hey I'm lost on electrics mostly... Regards Teza40 Quote
altezzaclub Posted January 12, 2013 Report Posted January 12, 2013 (edited) That doesn't souund right- You should cut the wire from the "start" position on the key to the starter wire somewhere along it's length, fit a pair of terminals or solder two wires to that. The wires go to the selector lever and plug into the two black wires. That means no power from the starter part of the key gets to the starter motor unless the selector switch lets it through. The green you can ignore, it should become live when the headlights are on. You should have a pair of wires for the reverse lights already there, they plug into the red plug. Mine was different there, the auto had the plug on the selector, the manual had it under the bonnet, but it was the same idea. Power goes in to the selector switch, power flows when in reverse, power goes out to the reverse lights. Edited January 12, 2013 by altezzaclub Quote
teza40 Posted January 12, 2013 Author Report Posted January 12, 2013 (edited) Ahhhhh ok, i see what i had done wrong...need to cut the wires and make break in circut...doh...give me rust repairs n panel n paint any day.. Thanks heaps for that extra info altezzaclub..will get on it sunday hopefully .. Regards Teza40 Edited January 12, 2013 by teza40 Quote
altezzaclub Posted January 12, 2013 Report Posted January 12, 2013 Cheers mate- I'm impressed with the work you have done on that car. I wudda smacked her across the ear and said "Hey, learn to drive a real gearbox....." (which is what I did at the start with my daughter! Now she's very proud she can double clutch down or do clutchless changes while left-foot braking..) Quote
teza40 Posted January 12, 2013 Author Report Posted January 12, 2013 Ha ha ha yeah i hear you on the smack across the ear, for not taking time to learn manual...well done for your tenacity with your daughter. Believe me so frustrating that she gave up....and made more work for me....oh well maybe one day she will wake up! A huge thanks on the compliment of work done...has been a long winded excercise but the end is in sight...bit of a ball breaker to get stuff right,tho is always the way with old cars... have to keep reminding myself NOT BUILDING A SHOW CAR lol. Fingers crossed it survives 18 year old behind the wheel... Teza40 Quote
carbonboy Posted January 12, 2013 Report Posted January 12, 2013 The green you can ignore, it should become live when the headlights are on. Sounds like the green wire is a power supply for the lights on the auto-shifter that show you what gear it's in at night time. Although wouldn't that be hooked up to park lights? Quote
teza40 Posted January 12, 2013 Author Report Posted January 12, 2013 Sounds like the green wire is a power supply for the lights on the auto-shifter that show you what gear it's in at night time. Although wouldn't that be hooked up to park lights? Hey carbonboy.... Well more so fed into dash lights for green wire that yes does run to illuminate the gear selctor,that one wasnt the problem i was worried about. More so my lack of knowladge on the neutral safety switch wire up....on old valiants i have had many years ago...when neutral safety switch didnt work and couldnt be stuffed getting under car to change,just ground a wire(s) too the body from memory at presto start in any gear.. Tho my thoughts bit not right for my daughter and pass roadie...lol. Cheers Teza40 Quote
carbonboy Posted January 12, 2013 Report Posted January 12, 2013 have to keep reminding myself NOT BUILDING A SHOW CAR lol. Teza40 Of course not, just a 'neat' streeter. :wink: More so my lack of knowladge on the neutral safety switch wire up....on old valiants i have had many years ago...when neutral safety switch didnt work and couldnt be stuffed getting under car to change,just ground a wire(s) too the body from memory at presto start in any gear.. Tho my thoughts bit not right for my daughter and pass roadie...lol. Morning! The days when things were much simpler, I recall my Father doing a similar thing with a Datsun 200B Wagon. :) My own auto-electrics ability extends to something about as complicated as a car with a 1.6L EFI engine in an East-West configuration, with none of the fancy stuff like A/C, VVT, ABS etc. Your daughter would probably get used to it after the first time she goes to start it in drive, I doubt the roadworthy inspector would be so relaxed about it. :lol: Quote
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