Discussion Continued From 3 Or 4 Topic

[Dan]

Made my own topic, don't want to get warned for doing the same stupid thing that many others did AFTER admin told them to stop. :)

 

Anyway.

 

I can't help but notice the "T" at the end of the model number are you really comparing a turbo engine to an NA?

 

I can't help but notice the "two" extra cylinders out of the Toyota V8 :thumbsup: are you really comparing a V8 to an inline 6?

 

Alright then, here we go. I presume your talking about the 1ggte, the twin turbo inline six 2.0L toyota engine, that was found in the JZA70 Supras. The JZA70 Supras weighed in at 1586kg, and the motor makes 210hp (156kw) (according to wikipedia.com)

 

On the other side, you are comparing the 'Barra Turbo', the single turbo inline six 4.0L ford engine, that is found in the BF F6 Typhoon. They weigh in at 1750kg, and the motor makes 361hp (270kw) (also, according to wikipedia.com)

 

Therefore;

1GGTE Supra - 1hp/7.55kg

Ford F6 Typhoon - 1hp/4.84kg

And for power to litre:

Ford: 90.235hp/L

Supra: 105hp/L

 

Jesus, the Ford FLOGS the Supra in terms of power to weight ratios... Which is what matters, doesn't it. And the Supra is about 15% ahead in power to litre, which I would probably say is because of the extra turbo and the fact that smaller capacity engines (less stroke) will outrev larger displacement engines by a fair bit (hp being a product of torque and rpm).

 

Fuel economy figures;

Ford F6 Typhoon: 13.0L/100km

Toyota Supra (1ggte): 16.0L/100km

 

And wow! It does it for less fuel, as well... the Ford is 20% more fuel economic than the Supra! So, what the f@$k is the point of having a 2.0L engine, when you can have a 4.0L engine that makes almost twice the power for less fuel? Come up for an argument for that, mate... and I'll be sitting right here waiting for it with a correct response :)

 

 

 

DISCLAIMER: I do understand that the 1ggte is a much older engine, and I do respect the Japanese for there technological advancements in four cylinder engines and turbocharging, and I do understand that the US (and therefore Aust) haven't ever really been that interested in 4cyl engines.... But the main reason why I wrote this entire thing was because of the keyboard warrior who thought he was fully sick and that a stock Supra would shit on a Ford. Which it won't, which I've proved. I'd write more, but I'm hungry and I want my dinner. I will return :).

 

Dan.

[irokin]

And the Supra is about 15% ahead in power to litre, which I would probably say is because of the extra turbo

 

 

 

anyway...how about a comparison of the JZA80 2JZ-GTE supra? I'm interested to see how that one goes.

[Dan]

Bah, I'll do it tomorrow, I am off to get pissed. It may come out on top for all I know, I presumed he was talking about the 1ggte Supra because its the only 2.0L six that I know of :thumbsup:

[irokin]

You just sit back with your beer Dan and I'll do the JZA80 RZ Supra specs.

 

Now I'm using power figures for the euro version because the japanese have some stupid agreement that their cars don't make more than about 208kw which is a load of bullshit (they do indeed make more than quoted!!)

 

So we have a power figure of 243kw at 5600rpm. That gives us 110hp/L

The JZA80 supra weighs 1542kg so we have 4.67kg/hp

 

The thing I love is you can make 1000bhp on the standard bottom end and 1500hp at the wheels is most certainly within reach. Such an awesome motor.

 

Anyway thats enough from me. You fellas play nice now.

[Rolla__Boy]

*drools* Supra mmmmmmm

[Mr Hardware]

Yes, a 1989-designed QUAD CAM 4L V8 from Toyota does have more power than a Falcon motor.

 

Don't get me wrong, but i don't believe that you can put these motors on LPG and do over 1,100,000klms in them without need for even replacing the head (heads).

 

Horses for Courses.

Edited September 1, 2006 by Mr Hardware

[Dan]

Anyone know what the fuel consumption figures are for a JZA80 Supra?

 

To be honest, what the f@$k is the point of having a small capacity engine if you can have a larger capacity engine that chews less fuel and makes the same, if not more, power than the smaller engine...

 

But yeah, horses for courses, whatever floats your boat

[Stackas]

Yeah and have you seen how much power some people are making off the standard turbo in the BA Falcons?

 

My brother has a xr6 turbo. The thing is heaps of fun. It was tuned to 420kw on the dyno then he just had it retuned now to get an extra 30kw through the entire rev range.

 

I just hope my rolla will keep up around the track. I wont get my hopes up

[mrselfdestruct]

Who cares about power per litre when a 6L LS2 weighs under 100lb more than a 4L 1UZFE and makes 120kw more power? Mullets and pushrods for life! :) Hell it's only a couple hundred pounds more than a 1.6L 4AGE :thumbsup: