camorinta Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Hi all, Been told you need an engineering certificate if putting in a 5k and 5speed into a ke17 sprinter? Just wondering how would i avoid this and if it really is necessary? Its a bigger motor but i didn't think that the 1.5 would make a difference. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parrot Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 (edited) Well this is what Vicroads say: "Change of engine 1. Replacement engine is identical to the original engine, or is an option allowed by the manufacturer for the same model vehicle The optional engine must be offered in Australia by the vehicle manufacturer as an option for that vehicle (or certified variants). The change of engine may be recorded by VicRoads provided that the registered operator or a motor mechanic, or dealer in that make of vehicle or an Automotive Engineer signs a declaration certifying the engine is optional for the vehicle model, and that all modifications made by the manufacturer for the same vehicle model with that optional engine have been completed. You will need to attend a VicRoads Customer Service Centre to have the vehicle's engine inspected to confirm the new engine details. No appointment is required. You will also need to complete a Change of Vehicle Description form. 2. Replacement engine is not of a type offered by the vehicle manufacturer as an option for that vehicle or where alterations, or changes to the vehicle's frame or structure are made, and/or specially fabricated supports or structures are used You will need to attend a VicRoads Customer Service Centre for an inspection of the vehicle to confirm the new engine details. You will also need to complete a Change of Vehicle Description form and provide VicRoads with: * a VASS Approval Certificate from a VicRoads Vehicle Assessment Signatory * an original receipt for the purchase of the engine as proof of ownership of the engine People are always trying to interpret this to suit their own particular position. There is more information here where you can download the 'Modification Guide" What's the answer? In your case I really don't know. Realistically the only way to be certain, is to write to the: Manager, Vehicle Safety Branch 60 Denmark Street KEW 3101 If you do, please scan a copy of their reply and post it up here. Edited July 10, 2010 by parrot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camorinta Posted July 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 Well i have spoken to people at Vic roads.. They didn't want to hear a word of it. I told them about the minimal difference in the hp and torque but they said i would still need to get the engineers certificate. :) lol told them that they would not even notice if i changed the engine over.. there was an awkward silence :) .. neways does anyone know how strict the engineer is going to be if i cut the tunnel to fit the 5 speed? And if they will even care about the 5K? Amar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parrot Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 Sad isn't it. You try and do the right thing, and make reasonable mods, and they still don't want to know. Only way to find out answers to your latest problem is to talk to an engineer on the VASS list..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camorinta Posted July 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 yeah, they said so. Well i'm just waiting on the other cars of the family to get fixed so mine isn't needed and i shall start taking it apart n clean and prepare the new engine.. lol for a while there lost the inspiration :) .. getting it back slowly :D ideas flowwing to the head :) hahaha.. ill just speak to them. Have you guys engineered your 5K's? or no need coz not selling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parrot Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 I wouldn't mind betting, yours would be the only engineered 5K in the universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfunkt Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 I wouldn't mind betting, yours would be the only engineered 5K in the universe. kickn5k had his ke11 engineered with a 5k, back when it was running twin SU's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curly Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 neways does anyone know how strict the engineer is going to be if i cut the tunnel to fit the 5 speed? And if they will even care about the 5K? Amar i have fitted a 5k and 5 speed to a ke17 and you don't have to cut the tunnel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camorinta Posted August 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 I thought that the shifter in the 5speed was like 150mm further down? So i figured a new hole needed to be cut for that.. Not shore if a K50 or T50 transmission have a difference, also not shore what tranny i have :lolcry:.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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