tullybanana1 Posted August 25, 2007 Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 Hello all, i've just registered with "rollaclub" and this is my first post so hopefully it's worked. :P I'm hoping i can get some help sourcing matched suspension components for my AE95 4wd wagon. I enter it in Autocross (dirt) events from time to time and the OEM suspension is definitely not up to the task. The car will also be registered and used frequently as a runaround so i don't want anything too stiff. What i'm mainly looking for is to make it stiffer and slightly lower so springs and shocks would be a good start, then i may look at camber and caster adjustment for the front. The sway bars are of a reasonable size already (F 24mm,R 18mm) so i'll leave those for now. As far as i can tell the front should be the same as an AE92 and the like, the rear looks very similar to an AE86 Sprinter live axle but not sure if it's exact?? I've tried places like Pedders (who only list standard height springs and couldn't tell me if they were stiffer or not :P ) and Whiteline who i would love to use but they have no listing for an AE95. I could just purchase front stuff for an AE92 and rear stuff for an AE86 but even if they fit, will the car be matched front and rear? For instance i'm sure the weight over the rear of an AE95 wagon is more than an AE86 Sprinter, therefore sagging the rear. If anybody can give me some ideas or know of somewhere that has suspension listings for an AE95, i'd love to hear from you. Once the suspension's sorted i'll look at an engine conversion, the old 4AFE is a little asthmatic to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7shades Posted August 26, 2007 Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 (edited) Hi... welcome to ze club Nice wags... I've owned a couple of these and a previous generation Tercel as well. They rock. Front: Standard AE92 with thicker swaybar and slightly stiffer springs. Keep the sway (its big enough) but grab some MUCH heavier springs. The 4wd gear makes these fairly nose-heavy compared to the FWD... on dirt a bit of prescribed understeer can be advantageous as they have a tendency to bog in when cornering and lift the inside rear wheel. Stiff springs, an extra degree or so of negative camber and just a stab of left-foot brake just before the apex puts you into a very graceful arc and brings the arse around nicely, and both your rear wheels will be on the ground ready for the 4wd to haul you out of the corner... while everyone else is making big pretty roostertails revving the snot out of second gear whilst practically stationary. Rear: Post the Axle code from you build plate and we'll be able to tell you what diff you have.... But it should be a 3.7 ratio T series. AE86 stuff will fit, but yes most of it will be too soft. An option is to try a few different setups with EA-ED falcon springs in your choice of ride height, and commodore shocks. They're cheaper and easier to get than sprinter bits, and you can fiddle around until you find a setup you like. Hope that helps :P Edited August 26, 2007 by 7shades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tullybanana1 Posted August 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 Hi... welcome to ze club Nice wags... I've owned a couple of these and a previous generation Tercel as well. They rock. Front: Standard AE92 with thicker swaybar and slightly stiffer springs. Keep the sway (its big enough) but grab some MUCH heavier springs. The 4wd gear makes these fairly nose-heavy compared to the FWD... on dirt a bit of prescribed understeer can be advantageous as they have a tendency to bog in when cornering and lift the inside rear wheel. Stiff springs, an extra degree or so of negative camber and just a stab of left-foot brake just before the apex puts you into a very graceful arc and brings the arse around nicely, and both your rear wheels will be on the ground ready for the 4wd to haul you out of the corner... while everyone else is making big pretty roostertails revving the snot out of second gear whilst practically stationary. Rear: Post the Axle code from you build plate and we'll be able to tell you what diff you have.... But it should be a 3.7 ratio T series. AE86 stuff will fit, but yes most of it will be too soft. An option is to try a few different setups with EA-ED falcon springs in your choice of ride height, and commodore shocks. They're cheaper and easier to get than sprinter bits, and you can fiddle around until you find a setup you like. Hope that helps :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tullybanana1 Posted August 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 Thanks 7shades, i will go to the wreckers tomorrow and measure up some EA-ED springs for the rear. I guess the problem i still have is matching whatever springs i put in with shocks, don't want it to be one of those cars that go's down the road like a seasaw because the shockers don't match the springs :P . I'm definitely more interested in making the car handle well than look good, so i guess i'll have to spend a little time setting it up with different parts. :P Just to confirm, your saying for the rear to fit falcon springs with commodore shockers, is that right? As for the front, if it's the same as the AE92 i should be able to sort that out no worries. Oh yeh, almost forgot, the axle code is "Trans/Axle E57F5-834". By the way you were talking it sounds like you may have been involved in some dirt events yourself, maybe in a club? Thanks for your info :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kykin Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 so what have you ended up doing and with what results, I'm looking into getting more overall clearance rather then exceptional handeling so would be good to know how you went. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gslrallysport Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Did you look at KYB? $87 each for the fronts, and $51 each for the rears, you can't really go wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wood§tok Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 yes, updates on this would be great! AWD FTW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas_ae71 Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 kyb make quality shocks... i sell budget rear ajustable shocks for ae86 but they are short stroke and if the car isnt low enougb you would run into problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tullybanana1 Posted November 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 Sorry for the long delay, just ordered some springs today from Industrial Springs. I looked around a lot of places before ordering these and even placed an order to get springs made to my specs (2 months ago) but got stuffed around big time so i pissed them off. Industrial Springs were the only place i found that actually list aftermarket springs for an AE95. The springs i've ordered are 30 - 40mm lower and 20 - 30% stiffer front & rear (they couldn't give me exact figures because of different wear & tear & factory tolerences & sofourth). I checked out Falcon Springs as suggested but found they are not exactly the same diameter so would not seat properly if fitted, and i'd have to cut them to make the car the right height which makes the cut end not seat properly either because it hasn't got a flat end anymore, it just would have been a little dodgy in my opinion. I will probably have to look at shorter shocks as well because i'm assuming with the shorter springs that when the suspension is at full travel, the springs may become unseated (common problem when lowered). I have to wait at least 4 weeks anyway to have the springs made (they had no stock, i guess they don't sell many) so i'll post more info once they're in. This probably isn't all that helpful to anyone that's interested in how i went but i'll let you know how i go in a few weeks hopefully. Happy drivin' ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tullybanana1 Posted March 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Hi, still having problems with springs. I've only just recently received them from Industrial Springs and their wrong! :( This is beginning to get a little tedious, especially considering the supplier is giving me a hard time claiming that there's nothing wrong with the specs of their springs. Well after checking two AE95's side by side at the wreckers and finding the springs are exactly the same as the one's i removed from my car, i can assure them their springs are wrong! The one's they supplied me (supposedly lower & stiffer) were only about 10mm shorter than the one's i removed. Now considering the new springs had about a 1.5mm larger coil diameter, there's no way in hell the car was going to sit lower! I seriously was concerned for my life attempting to compress them far enough to fit the original struts, so i put the originals back instead until this problem has been resolved. I'll keep you posted, no rallying though until i get the right springs...Damn! In the mean time i've been using the cheap to run rolla for Eastlink testing, see photo. Also check out my cool number plate, that was a fluke, it is not personalised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tullybanana1 Posted March 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 Quick update! Recently decided to try and get hold of complete struts, (shocker/spring assembly) maybe even coil overs, i want some adjustment for camber, caster, stiffness and ride height. The only problem is that i've done some searching online and this kind of set-up is extremely expensive! If anyone knows of somewhere that sells this kind of thing at a reasonable price, i would be grateful for the info. (but i do know this kind of thing is expensive) Also been having a quick look around for a 4AGE 20v Black Top. I found one being sold interstate by a jap wrecker for $1200.00 but still waiting to hear back to see what it comes with, ie: loom, ecu, accesories, basically all the stuff i need for a conversion into my AE95, i'm guessing at that price it will be just the motor. If anyone knows of a place selling these for a reasonable price in Melbourne i'd be keen to find out, obviously with accessories as mentioned. Anyway, that's enough dribble from me, happy drivin! :cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre6br Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 I have lifted my ae95r I ordered all this through a mate at bursons auto parts I got kind springs to make me a set of standard OEM replacement springs but reset them 35mm higher. Used a set of monroe GT gas inserts- gt gas inserts have a +- 25mm working range from standard height- it covers both small increases and decreases in ride height. forget what the rears are- think they are KYB +25mm- but not sure - can look if anyone really wants to know- pm me if so. By having the springs done at 35mm and having the shocks doing 25mm the 10mm diff was taken up by static sag ( and another 5mm) giving me a +20mm static height increase to my suspension a standard type wheel alignment was done but nothing was out of line - no changes to geometary was found or required to have propper wheel alignment. Speaking to kings R7D department I founf out that kings OEM springs are about 25% harder than standard anyway- so I pickeup some stiffer springs and some ride height for almost no extra $$ To do this I just had to agree for kings to fit my srpingss in with a normal spring run of this type- rather than pay for a rush job- like most customs are considered. It has been an amazing difference on the many country roads I travel on a by-weekly basis. The extra stiffnes hasn't hashened up the road drive feel at all- the springs were done at 290K on the odometer so there might have been some sag in the originals by then- especially sine I brought it off a mechanics shop where it was used as the parts truck. After reading here I'm keen to do a power upgrade on the 4AFE as it's getting tired at 350K now I'm not all that mechanical and would love to hear the easiers bolt in way I can give it a fresh engine preferabley all bolt up- engine, ecu, the lot. thanks later P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABBITS Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 I have lifted my ae95r I ordered all this through a mate at bursons auto parts I got kind springs to make me a set of standard OEM replacement springs but reset them 35mm higher. Used a set of monroe GT gas inserts- gt gas inserts have a +- 25mm working range from standard height- it covers both small increases and decreases in ride height. forget what the rears are- think they are KYB +25mm- but not sure - can look if anyone really wants to know- pm me if so. By having the springs done at 35mm and having the shocks doing 25mm the 10mm diff was taken up by static sag ( and another 5mm) giving me a +20mm static height increase to my suspension a standard type wheel alignment was done but nothing was out of line - no changes to geometary was found or required to have propper wheel alignment. Speaking to kings R7D department I founf out that kings OEM springs are about 25% harder than standard anyway- so I pickeup some stiffer springs and some ride height for almost no extra $$ Any more updates on suspension lifts for the AE95 4WD Corolla,s ,& has any one done any offroading with the lift in. Cheers Dave To do this I just had to agree for kings to fit my srpingss in with a normal spring run of this type- rather than pay for a rush job- like most customs are considered. It has been an amazing difference on the many country roads I travel on a by-weekly basis. The extra stiffnes hasn't hashened up the road drive feel at all- the springs were done at 290K on the odometer so there might have been some sag in the originals by then- especially sine I brought it off a mechanics shop where it was used as the parts truck. After reading here I'm keen to do a power upgrade on the 4AFE as it's getting tired at 350K now I'm not all that mechanical and would love to hear the easiers bolt in way I can give it a fresh engine preferabley all bolt up- engine, ecu, the lot. thanks later P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABBITS Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 Any more updates on the suspension lift on the AE95 4WD corllas,and has any one done any offroading after the lift was put in. Cheers Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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