Ae71/Ae82 Front Struts

[Aidan gaspar. 71]

Hey guys,

I have an AE71, and I was curious if the front struts from an AE82 or 92 or whatever model are interchangeable?

Any advise is much appreciated.

this is my first rolla. yew! :D

[Trev]

No, AE8/92 run a hub and different camber plate, E7 run a steering arm.

 

Unless you are talking about the cartridge.

[Aidan gaspar. 71]

Hey Trev,

Cheers for the speedy reply, i have been told that the cartridge in the ke70/ae71 is thinner than others/many, so making them harder to find short stroke replacements.

i have read the ae86 fronts fit, i was curious to know if a cheap (way cheaper :P) option was available. haha ae82 parts seem very cheap, plus a mate of mine has a dead on in his yard...happened to all of us a some point :)

so there is no way to use them? bolt the hub. brakes to the strut?

thanks again trev

[Trev]

Hey Trev,

Cheers for the speedy reply, i have been told that the cartridge in the ke70/ae71 is thinner than others/many, so making them harder to find short stroke replacements.

i have read the ae86 fronts fit, i was curious to know if a cheap (way cheaper :P) option was available. haha ae82 parts seem very cheap, plus a mate of mine has a dead on in his yard...happened to all of us a some point :)

so there is no way to use them? bolt the hub. brakes to the strut?

thanks again trev

 

There are short stroke options for the E7 (pretty sure KE70DAVE has them) and you will need a few 20c pieces, it would be a wast of time making the 82 suspension fit it would require you to use the outer cv shaft to locate the bearings, need to then modify the front end to suit a wishbone front end, it is just not even worth the hassle and you would never go to the extent to make them fit.

[Aidan gaspar. 71]

Swell,

Thanks for the help dude.

I did read about the 20c strut washers...haha, love it. :D

cheers.

[Trev]

Swell,

Thanks for the help dude.

I did read about the 20c strut washers...haha, love it. :D

cheers.

 

Just noticed Dave is running 86 struts, I cannot remember the shock tube size difference if there was any in the ADM, I will see what I can find.

[Trev]

Looks like you are better off getting ADM 86 stuts and getting a short stroke for them, don't forget to get the steer arms.

[Aidan gaspar. 71]

Yeah sweet,

Cheers for the help. Now to find some :)

What sort for price should i be looking at? Just so i know if I'm paying too much...

[ke70dave]

trev name dropping again!

 

haha

 

yeah 86 struts for me.

 

there are rumoured short stroke shocks for ke70 struts, i think it may have been from a VW of somet desciption. something quite obscure.

 

i may in fact be talking garbage.

 

if your keen maybe contact a suspension mob, and get them to crawl through some catalogues for something that might fit. or just try and get a hold of a catalogue with proper dimensions and have a crawl yourself.

 

though its not much use anyway, since even if you did find some short stroke shocks, you are still limited to the ke70 brakes/steering arms. which you may want to upgrade later on. best of finding a different strut (ae86, corona, celica perhaps) to bolt in with the ability to get shocks easily.

[Aidan gaspar. 71]

Hey dude,

Thanks for pipin in and helpin out

Sounds good, yeah, i do want to upgrade the whole strut, as you said the e7 breaks are piss.

haha, very cute and small but thats about it.

Everyone on here has so many different opinions, haha hard to figure out who knows, and who has just heard. know what i mean? so if i was to get a

celica/corona/ae86 strut the would go in with their breaks and steering arms attached? i own a corolla because I'm on a budget, so i spose I'm looking for the best bang for buck.

managed to pick my little gem up with a 4age for $2000 :) pleased with that. needs the RWD intake with the TVIS plate but still...

fun drive. :)

[ke70dave]

no dramas mate, thats what forums are for! helping out!

 

sweet deal on the 4age ke70, cost me more than 2000 just to put a 4age in mine...

 

first things first, the standard discs, hubs, calipers, struts on the ke70 really have no usable parts that can be transfered onto anything else. its abit annoying like that, in that you have to pretty much buy a whole new strut/caliper/disc/hub to get any sort of an upgrade.

 

i hear that celica front end isnt the greatest idea, something about it has a different king pin inclination, causes some way out there camber changes, and you need some camber tops to bring it back into check. (ive never used it, but just from reading around i get this vibe)

 

unfortunately as soon as you mention the word "ae86" the prices sky rocket, but unfortunately it probably is the easiest solution. you would need to get the struts/hubs/calipers/discs/steering arms from an ae86 (slight brake upgrade too, from 210mm (ke70) up to 234mm (ae86)). i paid about 300 for mine, but turned out the calipers needed to be rebuilt ($240) i needed new discs ($250) and i bought new wheel bearings ($50) so add all those up and its a damn expensive excersise, for a "budget" corolla. but on the other hand discs and bearings are considered consumables, and its a good idea to get calipers rebuilt if you don't know the history of them etc.

 

you can use the ke70 control arms and castor arms on the ae86 gear though. (they are exact same items)

 

once you get the 86 front end your set for upgrades, alot of guys convert to coilovers (adj height + short stroke shocks), or some guys are content wiht just getting a pair of shocks and springs to work well. deciding factor here is how low you want to go. its a little bit out of the scope of this thread, but if you want to know more I'm sure we can dive into that.

 

now xt130 (corona) front end ive not had much to do with, but ive heard good things. standard brakes are still solid but a fair bit bigger than the ke70 items. its the same size tube as the 86 so you can get shocks etc. this front end will be alot cheaper to buy from a wreckers etc, as its just boring old corona stuff. only real drama is the discs arent vented, which you may not need if its just a street car. i can't confirm what fits here and what doesnt (Steering arms etC) so maybe someone else can pipe in.

 

btw if you need a TVIS plate let me know, i have a few spares...can post if needed.

[bLinded_]

Reg. XT130 front end in a KE70,

 

All will bolt in, but you will need to swap the Corona strut top to the KE70 one. (Or aftermarket camber plates). I also am led to believe that there are 2 types of calipers from the XT130, one being a single piston, and one being a double.

 

The only real problem with this front setup is that the Corona steering arm is LONG and thus you will have stuff all lock. This can be helped by replacing the steering arm with a shorter one, ie AE86 Power Steering arm, but because the two have a different offset in relation to the ball joint, the disc will foul on the end of the LCA. You may have to just persuade the LCA a little for it to work.

 

Alternatively you can get the XT130 steering arms cut and shut, but unless it is a track only car, I do not recommend this for liability's sake incase of an accident.

[Aidan gaspar. 71]

thanks man!

u been a real help.

yeah the dude i bought my car off is an ae86 nut!

he had 4 in his garage lookin very unfinished but awesome! his pride and joy 1 is the 2tg? one???? dunno, but yeah he was saying that about ae86 prices.

i will just be road using, so spring and shock will do. maybe a quick 1 day or so at the track, maybe just the skid pan...dunno. but street is the main usage by far.

corona seems to be sounding good. ill have a search around and see what people say.

ok so the TVIS plate... i have the 86kw motor in mine with the 100kw intake...

apparently the 86kw one fouls on the break booster in rwd format. the tvis sensor is just sota sitting there.

i spoke to the dude i bought it off and he reckons the easiest way to do it would be, buy a legit rwd intake and plug the semsor back in??? what u reckon??

wow...getting off track...can we do this? I'm new here... :P

[LittleRedSpirit]

xt 130 steering arms are only 4mm longer than ae86. 137 & 133mm. Less lock, but not much less. Ke70 ones are about 126mm but do not fit the strut of course.

 

xt 130 struts have a fixed caliper mount that shares bolt spacing with many calipers also.

Edited September 14, 2010 by LittleRedSpirit

[ke70dave]

ok so the TVIS plate... i have the 86kw motor in mine with the 100kw intake...

apparently the 86kw one fouls on the break booster in rwd format. the tvis sensor is just sota sitting there.

i spoke to the dude i bought it off and he reckons the easiest way to do it would be, buy a legit rwd intake and plug the semsor back in??? what u reckon??

wow...getting off track...can we do this? I'm new here... :P

 

so you must have an adaptor that sits between the head and your intake manifold, to "convert" form bigport to smallport.

 

in which case if you add in the TVIS plate it will push the inlet manifold out another ~30mm and thus hit your brake booster.

 

like your mate said, best bet would be to get a bigport manifold and a TVIS plate, and remove the adaptor and current smallport intake manifold.

 

you can get a FWD bigport manifold and just have it "cut and shut" as they say (throttle body welded on the other end) of you can get a genuine RWD bigport one (ae86 jap) and use that. then bolt your TVIS plate in between the head and your choice of manifold. either manifold you choose it shouldnt hit on your brake booster in this format.