7shades Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Novate the lease and get the GTi or the SP23... well worth an extra $20 a week out of your pocket to drive something other than the cooking model... The ride and trim in the SP is much better than the NEO or MAX... The MPS is fun but you can buy better for that kinda money. The GTi is still a a bit of a fatty boomsticks for a hatch (and you'll gaze longingly at every VR6 that drives past) but quite a nice place to be in for daily puttering with the odd squirt at the lights. I owned the last gen GTi and I loved the quality (even though I had some warranty issues) and although you'll quite comfortably dust commodores to 100kph without using 3rd, there's no real excitement or visceral ooomph. Its just toooo refined and tractable. Tiida... *bluurgh* Its a rebadged Renault. 'nuff said ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wood§tok Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 (edited) but mazda 3s are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO boring. I find them even more boring than a commodore now and thats never a good thing. GTi has much better build quality (in apearence at least) and not every 19yo girl with daddys money has one. mmm. ps. red dwarf - get a liberty. ;) Edited June 12, 2007 by Wood§tok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwarf Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 but mazda 3s are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO boring. I find them even more boring than a commodore now and thats never a good thing. GTi has much better build quality (in apearence at least) and not every 19yo girl with daddys money has one. mmm. ps. red dwarf - get a liberty. ;) GTi is also 14K more expensive. Would love a Liberty, but Mrs Dwarf is .... erm...... under tall, so she prefers smaller cars. 19 yo's with Daddy's money tend to buy Hyundai's or, if they're feeling upmarket, a Lancer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7shades Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 (edited) ooooh! then you can get altezza style clear tail lights! Hmmm.... the small car market really is overwhelmed with mediocrity these days isn't it. EDIT: In this country at least.... Click Small, hatch, less than 30K, not a biegemobile ;) Edited June 12, 2007 by 7shades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancullen Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 WITH NOS!?!?!?! Won't that be removed for the vehicle to be registered in Australia though? Aren't all mods removed for rego? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7shades Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 It would... for compliance. aaaand then you whack it back on. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wood§tok Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 (edited) libertys are small. lol. as far as a mid sized car goes its the smallest. my wife is in the lower altitudes as well and she loves driving it because it eats girly cars. cheers. ps WOW this thread is way offtopic! ontopic, the new rolla looks like a mazda 3. read previous posts for my opinion on those. Edited June 12, 2007 by Wood§tok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancullen Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 WHAT!?! It most definitely does NOT look like a Mazda3 - the Mazda3 has a cohesive design, whereas the Corolla has obviously had bits copied from here, there, and everywhere. The front is okay, but the rear is SHIT! Plus it weighs more than the old model because it's so closely related to the new RAV4, and due to the new improved rear suspension. Unfortunately we don't get that new improved rear suspension over here, still torsion beam, but we have to put up with the increased weight of the extra bracing to support said suspension. I might be able to over look the shitty looks of the car if it were available with the 4WD & IRS of the JDM version, and an engine with 220+hp and 350+Nm, but until it is, I still think it's a waste of time. I'll just have to take solace in the fact that my 2003 Corolla is the fastest accelerating base-model Corolla of all time. Equal power and only a bit less torque than the new model, but 150kg less kerb weight. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7shades Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 (edited) Really? I thought they were lighter.... They look smaller anyway. Took a couple for a quick strap this arvo after our little chat (courtesy the boys at toyota next to my shed shhh don't tell the boss) and I reckon I still like em. Arse end doesn't bother me too much, but I suppose the tail lights could be slightly more profiled so as to look less like hemorhoids. Base model looks a bit average (ignore white contact transit covers) Conquest looks MUCH nicer in the metal, has alloys, foggies, and a boot spoiler. Wheels really make a difference. My dog approves. Has the "conventional" interior as well. Not overly exciting but pleasant enough. Instrument cluster is cool and looks wicked at night. I'd still own one... if for no other reason than I could sell it in 2 years and still get 16k with 50k on the clock. Edited June 12, 2007 by 7shades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancullen Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 (edited) Arse end doesn't bother me too much, but I suppose the tail lights could be slightly more profiled so as to look less like hemorhoids. Sorry, I meant the rear on the hatch. The sedan is okay, just boring. Has the "conventional" interior as well. Not overly exciting but pleasant enough. Instrument cluster is cool and looks wicked at night. The reason the sedan has a 'conventional' interior is because it's the old model with the new drivetrain. Don't believe me? Compare the exterior of the old ZZE sedan with the new ZRE sedan from the A-pillar back to the C-pillar. Exactly the same??? Of course. I think even the door skins (exterior sheet metal) are the same. It's just a major model upgrade, with the redesigned bonnet, headlights & front bar, front & rear quarter panels, boot, and interior. And engine & transmission. The rest will all be the same (front suspension might be slightly different, but not by much). When aftermarket products (eg. springs, brake pads etc) start to be released for this model we'll be able to be more certain, but I'm pretty confident that I'm right about the sedan being an update, not a completely new model. Edited June 12, 2007 by ancullen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7shades Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Yeah you're right... toyota lads reckon sedan is an update only. Doors are indentical. They also reckon there's rumours of a diesel variant... any word on that little tidbit Mr. Ancullen, our illustrious tome of corolla wisdom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancullen Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 (edited) The following specs are all for manual five doors: Auris (UK market range) Engine | Capacity | Fuel | Power | Torque | 0-62mph | Fuel consumption 4ZZ-FE | 1.4L | Petrol | 71kW | 130Nm | 13 seconds | 6.9L/100km 1ND-TV | 1.4L | Diesel | 66kW | 190Nm | 12 seconds | 5.0L/100km 1ZR-FE | 1.6L | Petrol | 91kW | 157Nm | 10.4 seconds | 7.1L/100km 1AD-FTV | 2.0L | Diesel | 93kW | 300Nm | 10.3 seconds | 5.4L/100km 2AD-FHV | 2.2L | Diesel | 130kW | 400Nm | 8.1 seconds | 6.2L/100km Corolla (Aus market 1.8L petrol) Engine | Capacity | Fuel | Power | Torque | 0-62mph | Fuel consumption 2ZR-FE | 1.8L | Petrol | 100kW | 175Nm | 9.7 seconds | 7.4L/100km In Europe diesels are HUGELY popular, whereas over here they are only just starting to really take off. I think it is likely that only one diesel option would be released here in Australia. I doubt Toyota Australia would bother with the 1.4L diesel, as the improvement in fuel economy over the other models is marginal, but there is a significant decrease in performance, and people are already bitching that the petrol Corolla's acceleration leaves something to be desired. My bet would be on the 2.0L diesel, as I don't think many people are ready to consider a diesel a performance variant, so the 130kW version would be a waste of time (I'd be interested in trying it out though). Plus the significantly better fuel economy of the 2.0L version (versus the 2.2L) would be a stronger selling point, while only losing 0.6 of a second in 0-100km/h accleration against the petrol. Edited June 13, 2007 by ancullen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancullen Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 (edited) UPDATE: Just noticed that the European Auris comes with the same double-wishbone rear suspension as the Japanese market Blade, so it weighs more than the Australian market Corolla. Looking at the kerb weights, the lightest five door Auris (the 1.4L petrol) weighs 1270kg, and the heaviest (the 2.2L diesel) weighs 1470kg. The Australian Corolla weighs between 1225 and 1280kg (depending on variant and transmission). Therefore using the diesel engines in the Australian version would probably give quicker acceleration times and improved fuel economy, making the 2.0L an even more likely option. Edited June 13, 2007 by ancullen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7shades Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Hey guess what... I was just down at the shed again and the toyota boys let me in on a little secret.... The AWD 200kw version WILL be released in AU in 2009 as a TRD badged "sportivo" (like the Aurion) and will be marketed squarely as a competitor to the WRX... there will be two sportivo variants with the option of a supercharger! Apparently this is toyota's new sportscar push following the demise of the celica and mr2... I'm excited ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwarf Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 THAT would make me consider a short term lease on the new car... ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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