Help!!!!

[SoulSearcher]

I don't want more power for that exact reason, the torque steer is a biatch in my car :lolcry: But no psi is worse!!!

 

Lesley

Edited July 3, 2007 by SoulSearcher

[TRD ke70]

sounds like there's more of a problem than just turbo shitting it's self, 90'000 km's on a toyota is nothing.

What's the sevice intervals, they may have to be decresed to 7'000 or even 5'000 k's and also look at the quality of oil there using, you may have to change it to a good syntheic. Castrol RS or Mobil 1.

 

it sounds like there could be a small blockage in the oil feed pipe to the turbo, this can be caused by lack of servicing or poor quality oil.

 

something to think about.

[SoulSearcher]

I just spoke to the people that have my turbo, they said it seized, that there wasn't enough oil to it, and it carbonised and that why the turbo went kaput.

 

I spoke to Toyota and he has the quote, and he said "so this is the way you want to go?" and I said, well I'd like to know my options!!! So I rang the people that inspected the turbo and they said there MAY be a bolt on alternative (from a holden ewww!) but to get my car to a reliable point in it's life the garrett and the mods is the way to go, cost is comparible between the holden bit and the garrett bit but the added cost is the modification to the manifold....

 

So I guess I'll have to wait a bit longer till we hear....

 

Lesley :lolcry:

[SoulSearcher]

ok, new turbo for my car from Toyota is $7,000 they're thinking of paying out the turbo portion of my warranty directly to me, then I'm responsible for anything that goes wrong relating to the turbo.

 

They're confirming the details now, but I'm thinking of taking the money and getting the garrett and the other mods that are required and putting the rest back into the car...

 

I'll keep you updated...

 

 

Lesley :lolcry:

[paulie]

7k for a new turbo.. bahhahah...

get a garret with a new manifold....may need new dump pipe too...

how can a new turbo set one back $7000.. what a joke

[turbo_rolla]

how can a new turbo set one back $7000.. what a joke

Not surprising when a new ecu for an ae112R sportivo is $20,000 - confirmed by toyota and all. think they cost them $14,000, and markup to $20,000 from memory :no2: So if your car is insured for under $20k and the ecu walks, it'd technically be a writeoff cause of a stolen ecu :lolcry:

 

I'd definately go the garrett turbo option lesley! How long left on the warranty and how much they proposing to pay out to you?

[SoulSearcher]

The cost of genuine parts for this car is amazing... $5000 for a clutch, $920 for that itty bitty elbow bend pipe, $240 for a door sill etc., etc., so I wasn't really surprised that the turbo was that much.

 

The total cost for the garrett and the modifications will end up somewhere around $5500, but from what I gather, TEC want to give me $7000???? I'm not really sure if this is right or not, but that's what the people from ATS intimated, I'll be finding out more tomorrow afternoon....

 

If I do get 7K, then I'll do the intercooler piping at the same time and then some carbon fibre bits :lolcry: = BIG GRIN

 

Lesley :no2:

[turbo_rolla]

hopefully they give ya $7k to replace it. if they do that though they may insist you do the "factory" turbo (which is "IHI" from memory), but ya might get lucky and just be given CAAAASH to get a good turbo instead!!! Fingers crossed for ya that you get a nice new garrett. I'd definately consider LSD though if you've got $$$ left over. will make a big difference i think. will stop the inside wheel from spinning atleast! Good luck :lolcry:

[TRD ke70]

be careful, if they pay out on the turbo part of the warranty and anything else goes wrong with the engine you may void any future claims with an aftermarket turbo fitted.

ask the question, and if they say no it won't, get it in writing.

[SoulSearcher]

I only have a year left on my warranty (April next year) so technically, if the turbo faults, then it's covered by the Garrett warranty and the reason the turbo probably faulted in the first place was because remember way back when my engine died, but just before then the oil light was coming on because my engine was using oil? there probably wasn't enough oil going to the turbo, or so I've been told.

 

Also, because I'm technically not adding performance (yeah right) to the engine and I'm actually going to be making it more efficient, I won't void my warranty.

 

Now all I have to do is get the mechanicals working then it can go back into the paint shop :lolcry:

 

Lesley :no2:

[Sportivo_65]

Given that the reason the turbo seized in the 1st place was due to possibly a maintance issue, and the fact that Toyota are willing to replace the turbo with the factory turbo, I'd be going for that option. At least then the turbo, manifold, piping, ecu and all other factors are the same as previous (stock) and the only outstanding issue is the car using oil and maybe causing lack of oil getting to the turbo (therefore still covered under warranty because its been fitted by Toyota and is a geniune Toyota part)

 

Adding to the mix, an aftermarket turbo, manifold, piping, ecu etc will (in my opinion) only add to your issues and void your warranty to no end, which i'm sure you paid good money for to have in the first place.

 

Before I'd fit ANY turbo back on your car I'd be insuring that the 'car using oil' issue is well and truely sorted out. Otherwise ANY turbo you fit probably wont last longer then its warranty anyway if there's no oil getting to it!

 

Please remember, if your gonna get a Garrett turbo, what ever size, that you will be limited in the amount of boost you will be able to run due to only having stock internals. This would even apply with the Toyota turbo. I've got a friend here in Brisbane with the same car as us and he has his car maxed to 12psi and that is as much as he will get without the internals of the engine being worked. Unless of course that's something you wanna do, by all means, go ahead and fit the Garrett turbo, work the internals, new piping, new ecu etc, void all warranties you have with Toyota (which you say are over in April anyways) and be happy ever after.

 

Or put a tried and tested stock BRAND NEW turbo from Toyota back on the engine which, with the 'car using oil / lack of oil getting to turbo issue' resolved, would run fine again for another 100,000-150,000kms (and be covered by your remaining warranty with Toyota)

 

Your choice I guess though, keep us posted but!!!

Edited July 3, 2007 by Sportivo_65

[Guest Sbox]

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Edited May 24, 2008 by Sbox

[Sportivo_65]

I'd also get a good reliable oil pressure gauge, learn how to read it and stop driving the car when the oil pressure falls off (ditto with the temp). Find out what is wrong, get it fixed and go again. Warning lights are there for a reason.

Agreed.

 

Also, genuine parts are going to cost more, you pay for the research and development that has gone into having them working effectively in their 'stock' environment.

 

I'm not supprised that a Garrett turbo is gonna cost less. Garrett make bulk, to be sold to anyone who has any application in mind for that / each particular turbo. I'm pretty sure Garrett wont warrant the application of the turbo, they'll most likely only warranty the turbo itself. Meaning, if there's any other issue which may damage the turbo due to the engine being "under modified" I'm sure they wont care.

 

Where as at least with the IHI, you know its been working fine in this application, for 6yrs now, until the oil warning light came on and was ignored, and i'm sure a new one will last just as long if not longer with all other issues taken care of.

[Sportivo_65]

PS - Its julez here, I used to be rol14_ae82 but i've got a new account now!! Just incase you were wondering who the fudge this was!! :lolcry:

[SoulSearcher]

okey dokes, firstly, my car gets serviced every 5,000 klms WITHOUT FAIL, the oil issue was because of engine issues and the oil light came on the day AFTER I picked it up from servicing, and I took it back there that afternoon, so just to make it clear, I maintain my car to the highest possible standards (insofar as I'm uber anal about it!), my problems started the day I bought the car and I spent 4 months with various mechanics trying to pin point the exact cause of the problem, and I was led by them because I beleived they knew best, it wasn't until I took it to fours and more and they told me part of my problems and I took their report back to Toyota and asked them to resolve these issues that we really got to the heart of the matter, hence I got a new engine...

 

Also, Toyota parts may be fabuloso but the reason they're so expensive for my car (AE112 Sportivo) is because there was a limited run of them and parts just aren't readily available, (the interior bits are no longer available), and other parts are scarce on the ground having to come mostly from Japan.

 

Now usually I'd say "Stick with Stock", however, the whole way Toyota did the turbo and air intake for the Sportivo it was a flawed design, (according to a number of leading big head know it alls in the mechanical fields) and I can truly see where they're coming from:

 

http://autospeed.drive.com.au/cms/A_1733/article.html

 

there was no real reason for the air intake to travel 500 miles around the engine bay, there is a more efficient way to do it as a number of people who own our car have found out and modified the air intake housing...

 

the turbo is a small one (on the scales 1 being smallest and 10 being largest it's around a 3 - only a little bigger than a Suzuki Cappuccino turbo, and that's a 1.3 cyl!!!,) and it gets REALLY hot (hence a number of people who have our cars have discovered their manifolds cracked - another costly replacement the gasket alone costs about $500).

 

If I can run the turbo cooler, have better air intake, better economy, ease the load on my car AND have parts avaialble in 5 or 6 years at a reasonable cost ($1500 for the turbo) obviously it's a factor to take into consideration. If I get the genuine toyota turbo (and keep everything stock) not only will I have to wait months for it to come by sea from Japan, but it's possible that it will crap itself in 2 years and then parts won't be available and I'll be looking at doing this all again...

 

I'm not interested in changing the level of boost, well not really anyway, the ECU will stay, and I am planning to mount some additional guages in the dash, but all the above is mere speculation, until I know what TEC are prepared to do I can't make a decicion...

 

Lesley :lolcry: