turbo_rolla

I ran an ae86 intank pick up that had been modified from memory (purchased off someone else), then a bosch external high pressure pump (can't remember what one exactly as it was ages ago, 050 or something???) under the car. Check out my build thread here to see a bit more: My old build thread Ke20, nope, no drive cycle test done through regency - they wanted an emissions test but I was able to get it done from Midas at golden grove from memory and show them the results - cost about $70 i reckon. Only tests done at regency were visual inspection, exhaust db test and road test :wink:

Yep, what budowski said. Guessing he's still around :lol:

Only off once to put the new CAI on it, then back to stock when i sold it :D the response is alot better without all that piping isnt it? Engine bay looks good with the red bits too! ;)

Hey Dave!!!! Hows the old beasty going? Still running alright? Chuck some pics up :D

Thanks Adam! Thanks for your help recently bumping ideas off you too! Are they really that bad teddy? Anything in particular i should be looking out for? We screwed them right down (one positive to come from the economic crisis = no car sales = desperate salesmen :yes:) so fairly happy with it thus far! :jamie:

Yeah, time to move on - plus, got a nice and shiny 2008 corolla sitting in the driveway now - all the performance of the ke70, but in comfort :yes: Got a new little hobby now to continue to waste money on though - 1/10 Tamiya TT-01D drift car :jamie:

Its official - my beloved little rolla has gone to a nice new home! :) Did the big swap about 30 minutes ago (lots of cash in exchange for my car :yes:), so the final chapter of this book has now been written. Took it for a final drive before just to hear the sound of the bigport one last time, and loved it. Its gone to a good home though, and I'm sure it'll be well looked after by Dave! One last photo of it as it left before (the other beige ke is his brothers, my "old" car is the one in front :jamie: ) ANyway gang, with my beast now gone, it'll probably be the last of me around these great forums! Thanks to all who helped in building the car up to what it was, and to everyone else who contributed to the abundance of information there is on here which helped me build the car into what it was! :yes:

Yeah, with that tool gone i might watch it again - couldnt stand him, and the fact that all they'd do is compare every car to a bloody Porsche 911

Certificate of exemption received today - now all official and ready to be handed over to the new owner, whoever that is :) On a completely different note, got the new car yesterday - quite nice!!! Smooth and quiet ride, and not much slower than the old 4age to be honest (is an auto though). Nice firm ride also!!! Just looking into some modifications for it now (needs to be lowered about 1.5-2 inches, and maybe a different grille or something on the front!). Very happy thus far :(

Its all official - for sale thread done :) too much? not enough? just right? Looking forward to picking up the new car on thursday though - was actually QUITE surprised how well it handles and rides. Very nice for what it is :)

Nah, never had a turbo on it - got it through n/a though, so all sweet there. We have two cars - unfortunately the other one is a Getz (alright for what it is), but the new car will be mine until we pop out little ones: 2008 Corolla Conquest - blah blah blah Just time for a nice new car :)

Yeah, think it'll stay as it is - thought about coilovers, but wont bother. BUT, breaking news: CAR IS GOING TO BE SOLD, but this time its definitely happening :) went out and got a new car with the mrs today, so this ones gonna go. Sticking with the corolla family, as i thought it was time to "grow up" and get a car that doesnt rattle etc. I love the old girl, but its time for it to be passed on. If i can't get what i want for it i'll hold it, but will see what happens! :)

Only ended up getting a strut brace today - couldnt push myself to get the trd springs he had sitting there, as they were only 240mm freeheight and the shocks i've got wouldnt keep them captive (might be alright when driving, but not 100% sure :(). No LSD's were out either, so might pop back and have a look next week - thinking the existing height will just do, but will continue to have a think about it as i don't wanna have to go through all the running spacers and short strokes if i don't need to, just to get another 10-20mm out of the front |blink|

Not much to update other than I'm heading down to a place at marion today to buy some new front suspension gear for the beastie!!! :( MIGHT also grab a LSD while I'm there, but will see - will update later with what i get |blink|

Yeah, i will be running different rims and steering wheel on it, BUT, the main reason i went through the regency thing was so the engine was legal for insurance purposes :D The wheels i've got sit well within the guards, and the steering wheel is ADR approved. I've looked into this side of things re insurance and everything is listed on the policy - basically, as long as the "modification" doesnt cause any claim you're fine (ie steering wheel snaps off cause its cheap and you steer straight into traffic, or can't turn wheels cause they're too wide). I also enquired about getting wider rims engineered here in SA and no-one would touch it because they "couldnt justify having wider rims on that vehicle" :hmm: Engineering really isnt worth the hassle or price here in SA :hmm: (ie $2k to engineer 4age)

One thing that might be worth putting into your application to further strengthen your claim for approval is the fact that the JDM TE71/TE72's had the 2T-GEU motor which produced approx 85kw - now, if you're putting in a JDM 4AGE like i did, which is 96kw, this is only a 15% power increase - this probably isnt sufficient for you to drive around without getting it checked out, BUT, it is another argument against engineering (which, among other things, is interested in torsion rigidity), as the platform has already been shown to handle 85kw from these motors. I didnt put this in as i didnt know at the time - When i actually rang Regency late on a friday arvo after i faxed my application through (on the way to buy a new car having resigned myself i'd need engineering!!!! :confused: ) to see if it'd been rejected, the guy i spoke to (and who assessed my application) raised this point above, that the TE71/TE72 had the 2T-GEU motors, and therefore wouldnt need engineering. Needless to say, i then cancelled the viewing of the new car :laff: THE INSPECTION The run-down of the inspection for me was as follows: 1. Bring the car through to the big shed doors, then drive it over the pit the guy tells ya to 2. He got me to run through all the lights, front and rear demisters, horn 3. He jumped under it with his torch and checked it all out pretty closely 4. Jacked it up slightly and then put some tension on the lower controls arms 5. Back up to the engine bay to suss out the wiring, and emissions gear 6. Over to the brake test machine - gets you up to 60km/hr i think on the rollers, then gets you to brake - tests the brake bias (ie does left side brake harder than right side, which could pull the car one way when braking), then the same for the rears. On this point - there's a panel just in front of you and to the right which shows the readings etc and "pass" of "fail" - fronts passed, but my rears failed on the first shot - he got me to do it again and it passed - what i recommend is to brake slowish (firm braking, but not stomping on them), as that was the difference between me failing the first test on the rears (Stomping) and passing (gradual depression of the pedal) 7. Exhaust analyser - puts a mic next to the drivers door and one at the exhaust - for our cars the max limit is 94dB i think - i had 92dB and thats with extractors, 2" system, hi-flow cat and magnaflow muffler 8. Test drive around the block, then back in 9. checked my tint - was too dark on front so he handed me a razor and it came off :( He got one of his collegues over a couple of times for a second opinion, but nothing came of it (was worried shitless though!). The few things he mentioned to me, but let me through on were: 1. gearbox x-member was only secured by one bolt (not sure if it can actually bolt up with 2 bolts with the ae86 xmember) - suggested i make something up to give it a bit more strength 2. lower control arm was secured with a bolt and nut without locking mechanism on it (like the top of suspension tops) 3. pod filter - was wedged between the radiator and carbon canister and not much movement, but said a cop might get a bit picky if they saw it and to try and secure it a bit better 4. tint - has to let through 70% on the front, and made me take it off then and there Um, what other pointers can i give???? Nothing really extra other than having the car prepared as if it were going through for a defect check: All exterior lights working (parkers, indicators, low beams, high beams, hazards, brakes, reverse), Horn works Front and rear demisters working (ie fan at the front, click button for rear window Engine bay nice and tidy - i spent a few hours the night before cleaning up lots of tacky looking wires No oil leaks anywhere Stock suspension and rims - made it look like a grandpas car - f#$k, put on rear louvers if you're keen :doh: Stock steering wheel You want to give them NO reason to fail you - this means having the car tidy and well presented, being polite and just sitting there while they go over it - answering their questions respectfully etc. If you go in with attitude they'll treat you accordingly. The guy i had and the other two who were there were quite good IMO - had a chat with them, and didnt have any problems. At the end of the day, they do this shit day in and day out, so are gonna be able to spot dodgy stuff a mile off, so take the time, do it properly, and make your car safe for you and the other road users - remember, they just want to see that your car is safe to be on the road :lolcry: I think that's it for now - if anyone has any questions or any other points to mention (has anyone else got through with this????), feel free to bring them up. Thanks! :lolcry:

THE APPLICATION The first main step of the whole process is completing the application to modify form and sending it in. In this, you basically want to convince and demonstrate to Transport SA that the modifications you are performing on your vehicle are effectively BOLT ON, with little/no modification required to any structural components. For example, I completed the form and then sent in a 1-page letter accompanying this to try and get my point across. Now, I wont put up the exact letter I sent in, but I will outline the main points that I mentioned: 1. I advised that I was LOOKING INTO doing an engine conversion, and then detailed that it was going into a ke70 with 4k-c engine, and being replaced with a 4AGE out of a JDM Sprinter – even though I’d done it, the legislation basically says you apply for it, get permission, then do it so just kept with that. 2.Mentioned that the swap was relatively straight forward, and if the compliance costs were not excessive (ie engineering required) then I would go ahead with the conversion. I then went into detail of what the conversion itself entailed, and what modifications would be made: 3. AE86 engine x-member used to mount 4age will be used. Cross member bolts in directly to ke70, and engine mounts directly onto this. No modification required 4. AE86 gearbox x-member used to support gearbox – again, bolts in directly with no modification required 5. 16 Valve JDM 4AGE engine to replace 4k-c. Engine is RWD format already, so no modification required – will bolt straight onto the engine cross member 6. AE86 complete front struts and steering arms for suspension to replace standard ke70 items – allows for better shock absorbers and springs to be used, as well as ability to upgrade brakes – again no modification required. 7. JDM AE86 Springs brakes – calipers – these are direct bolt on to the AE86 struts. Will result in 234mm vented rotors being able to be run, which is a decent upgrade from the standard 218mm solid rotors – again, no modification required. 8. T-18 corolla diff – whole diff, including drums – direct bolt in with no modification required. Drums on this diff are larger than the standard items on ke70 9. JDM AE86 tailshaft – links in directly with the gearbox and bolts straight to the diff – again, no modification required 10. Engine will not be modified in any way, and will run standard engine management I then went onto just confirm the similarities between the KE70 & AE86’s – ie share a very similar platform (more-so for the AE71 obviously), which allows the conversion to be done with relative ease :laff: Finally I followed up by effectively asking “due to the similarity of the “donor” vehicle and my ke70, whether the above modification could be completed and brought through for an inspection or roadworthy test. Again, I put forward my view that the costs incurred for engineering would not only be excessive, but unwarranted as the upgrade will take part with standard parts from an AE86 that bolt into my vehicle, and that this combination had effectively been tried and tested to be safe in accordance with the Australian Vehicle Standards in the form of the AE86 :doh:

Here is some legal jargon from their site, as well as a copy of the form you have to send in: ENGINE CHANGES REQUIRING A STATEMENT OF REQUIREMENTS (SOR) Engine changes, which are not specified in the Category 1 engine change list or Automotive Instruction, require a SOR to be issued and the vehicle inspected on completion of the modifications. The SOR is issued to individual vehicles and the acceptance of a modification does not set a precedent. It is important to realise that the SOR does not mean that the vehicle is acceptable to be driven on the road. It is only after the Certificate of Exemption has been issued that the vehicle is considered to comply with the requirements of The Road Traffic Act and Regulations. Procedure to obtain a Statement of Requirements a. Contact Transport SA to obtain information as to the acceptability of the proposal and the appropriate application form. b. Complete and submit an Application to Modify a Motor Vehicle form together with any other relevant documents eg. Engineering reports in the case of extensively modified vehicles. c. If the proposal is acceptable, Transport SA will issue a SOR. If the proposal is not acceptable the applicant will be advised in writing. If additional information is required before a SOR can be given further consideration, the applicant will be contacted either by telephone or in writing. d. Once the SOR is received the proposed alteration may be commenced. On completion of the alteration the applicant or the applicant’s representative, may arrange a booking for an inspection. When making a booking for inspection please quote the reference listed on the SOR. A fee is payable for the inspection. Inspections can be arranged by telephoning Transport SA on 8348 9555 for metropolitan Adelaide bookings. For country inspection please ring 8348 9600 or 1800 643 849. e. At the allocated inspection time, the vehicle is to be presented for inspection with the SOR being handed to the inspecting officer. f. It is advised that the person presenting the vehicle arrive at least 10 minutes prior to the allocated time, so that the necessary paperwork can be checked and the inspection fee paid (mine cost $205 and went for about 40 minutes) g. If the vehicle fails the inspection, reinspection at a later date is required. A fee is payable for the inspection. After rectification of all faults the applicant, or the applicant’s representative, may contact Transport SA and arrange a booking for reinspection. h. After the vehicle has passed inspection, the Registrar of Motor Vehicles will be advised of the new engine number and capacity and a Certificate of Exemption will be forwarded to the registered owner. You can find the whole document on vehicle modification here The “application to modify a motor vehicle” can be found here

Before I get into this, I have to make note to a statement that I received on my “statement of requirement” and is again repeated in the legislation: The SOR is issued to individual vehicles and the acceptance of a modification does not set a precedent Wouldn’t want anyone reading this, doing what I’ve done and expecting that they’ll let your car through too just because they let mine through, as all cases are different. Also, should mention what i've done to my vehcile, as you can't expect them to let your 4age conversion through on brakes that were designed for a 50kw or so car :laff: 1. JDM 4age - as long as you use a 16v you'll be fine - may be a different story with 20v due to increased power 2. t-18 diff 3. JDM AE86 Ventilated discs (if you don't have these or willing to get these, don't bother applying as you'll get knocked back :doh: ) Anyway, this basically outlines what I did in order to get my ke70 4age install made “legal” through regency. You have two options when doing an engine conversion – you can get it engineered, and then checked over through Regency, or you can get them to issue a “statement of requirements” which will outline the changes they require you to make to the vehicle in order for it to be deemed road worthy. Obviously this second option is preferable as engineering can be quite expensive (I was quoted about $1600-$2000). There is no “set amount” for what they will accept, BUT I believe they work on about 20% increase in capacity or 20% increase in power? Following a successful inspection for a “statement of requirements”, the Dept of Transport will issue you with a “certificate of exemption”, which effectively gives you free reign to thrash the f$#k out of your 4age knowing that its legal and covered if anything happens!

Hey all, i put this up on ae86dc but thought i'd chuck it up here if there was any interest. I recently had some success with my 4age conversion into my ke70 in that i was able to get it made "legal" without engineering. Long story short, applied through regency, they said alright, got car inspected, and they're in the process of issuing a "certificate of exemption" for me. Not sure how many people will be interested in this, but can't hurt i guess!

Thanks guys - will look better once its back to how it was! :) Might make a start on it this morning

YEah, if nothing else it proves it can be done - was alot of f$#king around to get it all up to scratch, but i guess i now have an independent assessment saying i have a safe car :)

don't have an issue with doing the rears, but i only got the fronts in the other night :) luckily i don't like 4WD spec, so they'll get done soon, then the new wheels will go back on, steering wheel & boss kit, quad headlights, and new tint on the front windows :P

Thanks guys - will try and get the springs back in over the weekend, but will realistically be over the next couple of weeks. Still deciding whether to do 210mm springs or not, but still leaning towards just keeping what it has :)

Will cut to the chase of the detailed story below: IT'S LEGAL :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: SOOOOOOOOOOOO, was the big day today. Was nervous all day but got down there for the appointment - called through pretty much straight away. Went into the workshop and the guy says "so whats in it" and one of the other guys there said "4age?". So he then proceeded to have a look over it while i sat my ass down on the chair next to the desk and watched nervously ;) Had a good look underneath and then went off to get another guy at one stage, and brought him back to look at something at which stage i was thinking "hmm, will have to bring it back through", but the then said it was okay - was looking at the gearbox xmember, and said i should look to mount the other bit of the xmember that isnt bolted up to the car. There was also an issue with the nut on the end of the bolt going through the xmember and lower control arm in that it wasnt a "locked thread" or nut. He looked around the rest of it a bit more, sussing it all out very closely, and then it was time to do the brake test - fronts passed without a problem, then onto rears, which failed the first time, but then passed on the 2nd shot (applied the brake a little more gently). Then was the noise test - got me to rev it up to 4000rpm and measured it - 92dB, allowed to have up to 94dB! Finally was the road test - he took it for a spin and said it was all alright, only had to fix the clutch as it doesnt have the "spacers" in the top where it mounts to the pedal assembly so there's a bit of movement side to side if that makes sense. He then noticed the tint and asked if i had it on the front (yes), and said that it was too dark and proceeded to hand me a razor :P so that's come off the front windows, but apart from that all was good. So he said just to fix those little issues, but not to worry about bringing it back through and that we were done. So yeah, its all now legal, for SA Rego purposes and more importantly, insurance :P :D :jamie: Now i get back to transforming it back to its former self :)