kangaroosa Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/qt/LTASinf...s_modifications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
love ke70 Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 Good Find! its a shame they don't have a list of engineers online like NSW does, i think ill try and lay my hands on a list of all their approved people when i go for my license again, and post it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxtail Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 You will like this one:- 1st, I had a week long discussion with a QLD transport inspector on engine conversions. My question:- My car is pre unleaded <'86, they want me to fit a cat and unleaded filler because my engine is post unleaded >'86. Well, I have a 1983 block, 1989 pistons and 1992 head, what is my engine?? The reply:- Send us the details and we will asses the engine. What does that mean? what is a >'86 engine? Is it the block? is it the internals or the head? They couldnt tell me. My car with a 4AG will beat any pollution requirements for the year of manufacture of my vehicle without a cat, (and 86kw 4AG runs on super by the way). So, I can keep driving a smoky 4AC and kill trees, or put a clean motor in it and spend $$$ putting in a cat? Where is the logic? Why put in an unleaded fuel filler, when leaded fuel was banned from sale in Australia several years ago!?!? Like reading? Here is the text:- Hi Sam Thankyou for your email regarding the fitment of a fuel injected engine. While you have a strong argument there are certain requirements that must be met for replacement engines. It is required that all emission equipment that was used for the EFI engine must be transferred over to your vehicle which has received the donor engine. The emissions for your vehicle must meet the applicable Australian Design Rules for the replacement engine or the vehicle's date of manufacture (which ever build date is newer is the ADR you must comply with). I would like to comment on whether or not your vehicle would require the modifications you mentioned in your email, however you have supplied us with no information regarding the engine or vehicle in question. If you would like a more accurate reply you will be required to supply us with all the relevant information as the requirements for engine substitution may vary in certain applications, without this information i am mot willing to give you a definite "yes" or "no" answer. Having said this the engineers who have authority to approve such modifications have in their possession the code of practice for engine modifications which has the guidelines to which they must follow to give such approvals. Please do not hesitate to contact us with more information regarding your vehicle to allow us to find a more accurate reply. Regards Stuart Burns Asst Policy Advisor Land Transport & Safety Queensland Transport Hi Sam Thank you for the additional information you have provided regarding your engine conversion. Regarding the modifications rules you refer to, there are a set of modification codes outlined in the Code of Practice Light Motor Vehicles (COP). Within this COP are guidelines regarding the conversion and modification of motor vehicles such as the modifications and vehicle that you have supplied details about. These modification guidelines are uniform for both passenger cars and light commercial vehicles of the type you describe. There are differences in the Australiand Design Rules (ADRs) requirements for some passenger car and light commercial vehicles. As mentioned in the previous email the engine you stipulated will have to remain compliant with the emission requirements it was designed to meet or if the vehicle is later model (younger) than the engine then the engine must be bought up to meet the standards the vehicle was originally designed to meet. Your Approved Person (AP) may require verification of this engine model and construction date to ensure it meets the requirements. Please note that once a supercharger and/or aftermarket engine management system is fitted to an engine, proof of continued compliance with the required ADRs will be expected. This may require full emissions testing to be performed to prove compliance. For full details of the required testing procedure please talk to your AP for a copy of the relevant ADR. It is suggested you keep these details for future reference. If both the vehicle and the engine were built to operate without a catalytic convertor and remain compliant with emission requirements then fitting one may not be a requirement. Queensland Transport is willing to accept this vehicle without an unleaded fuel filler. As you may already realise the fitment of a supercharger may not increase efficiency. The increase in dynamic compression created by force feeding extra air into the cylinders may have an undesired effect of increasing emissions, such as Hydrocarbons and NOx. Manufacturers of engines, design complex engine functions such as this by taking into account a number of associated factors including efficiency design of camshaft profiles, injector- type, size and positioning and combustion chamber shape, to name a few. While some professionally designed and comprehensively tested aftermarket turbocharger and supercharger systems may continue to meet the emissions requirements designed into the original vehicle it can not be assumed that your application will automatically do so. To ensure your modifications do, testing will be required. This is why consulting with an AP before proceeding to modify your car will ensure your vehicle will remain compliant with all legislative requirements. It is commendable that you have already approached an engineer about the design of your braking system and we would like to encourage you to do so with all proposed modifications you would like to perform. In order to have your vehicle approved it will now be necessary for you to contact an Approved Person to consult with you regarding this vehicle and it's susequent compliance approval. If you would like details of Approved Persons nearest to you please feel free to call me for further details. For further correspondance or advice on any issues regarding your vehicle's compliance and approval please contact your AP. Regards Stuart Burns Asst Policy Advisor Land Transport & Safety Queensland Transport Hi Sam, Thankyou for your reply regarding the emissions testing of your vehicle. Due to the large number of different engine combinations and subsequent ADR emissions requirements and given the amount of correspondence required to clarify these individual situations we require specific information on your vehicle. This will include exact modifications that have been performed to your engine, taking into consideration if the engine has been modified with various components of different build dates. The resultant answer will be based on the specific information you provide for that specific engine and will likely change if you perform other or subsequent modifications. I recommend you either complete an application form and detail the exact components and modifications you wish to carry out, and have our engineer assess the situation. *Please note, there may be a fee for this service as we are not a consultancy business, this is why Queensland Transport has the approved person scheme. or Contact one of our approved person engineers who will consult with you to advise you on the legalities of your vehicle, and whether or not your vehicle still complies with the Australian Design Rules. These engineers may also be able to assist you in arranging an emissions test. (List of approved engineers at bottom of this email). Alternatively you can contact this department during normal operating business hours and speak with one of our engineers. Regards Stuart Burns Asst Policy Advisor Land Transport & Safety Queensland Transport It seams that the Government requires all questions to be answered with questions to make it look like someone has a clue! Also as far as I am aware, comercial vehicles (ie panelvans, vans and utes) have different modification rules, you can construct your own comercial vehicle under the 'Individually constructed vehilce) scheme and be exept from crash tests etc. Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
love ke70 Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 interesting stuff... but such a qld transport thing, no-one really knows the right answer to a question, so theyll just keep trying to confuse u til u give up :D but don't give up, u can defeat them! haha did you get that list approved engineers? coz i would really really love to see it :D i went into the beenleigh qld transport and asked them for the list of approved engineers, and she was like nah we don't have anything like that, here read this pamphlet, but if u read the big pamphlet of modifications they say the list is available from qld transport ;) so if u got it, it would be a great help if you could post it up :wink: cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwarf Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Um, I do work for one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
love ke70 Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 you work for a approved engineer? thats cool :wink: it would be good if we could get the full list up here :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Jamie Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Well, I have a 1983 block, 1989 pistons and 1992 head, what is my engine?? stop right there. you have a 1983 engine. you are not required to change details when you put new pistons in or head on your motor, you are required to change details when you change an engine ADRs are only allowed to move forwards, not backwards. a 1992 head and emissions system is equal or better to the emissions standards of 1983 motor this is providing you mirror the exact factory setup. you go changing compression or intake or computers (or add a supercharger), and yes you are required to have emissions testing to ensure continuing compliance with the ADRs applicable to that particular engine number that's what i would think anyway. it makes the most sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
love ke70 Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 id agree with that but it is the head that changes the emmisions not the block (yes?) so that throws a pickle in the works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwarf Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 you work for a approved engineer?thats cool :D it would be good if we could get the full list up here :y: No, I do work for an appoved engineer. There's a fine difference. I do work for a number of different people/ companies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
love ke70 Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 oh i see :D if ever i need one ill get in contact to find out who he is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Jamie Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 but it is the head that changes the emmisions not the block (yes?) not necessarily. take any stock car and put a turbo on it without opening the motor. emissions changed, head same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
love ke70 Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 but you could also say take any block, change the head and the emisions change from that of the original block and head and vice versa...it gets confusing, i see why they want to run emissions test just so the answer is definitive it just seems overkill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
love ke70 Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 simple answer: use old cars or run gas, i do both :D hehe i know its not overkill, just seems it sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolla__Boy Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 No, I do work for an appoved engineer. There's a fine difference. I do work for a number of different people/ companies. You sure you don't work for an approved engineer? :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
love ke70 Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 no he "does work" for the afore mentioned engineer, not actually works for him in the sense the engineer is his boss...i think....:D lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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