Ke 70 Have I Biten Off More Than I Can Chew

[wanzl]

hi there I'm new and since ive joined have not been able to get off the computer,

nor out of my shed :P this site is pack of good info cheers to all..

 

just picked up an auto :P ke70 with only 120.000 k on the clock !

and am looking at convert it to manual

 

????? am i better off of buying a 5k 4ac, 4age

instead of mucking around and converting 4kc after all i am wanting a little extra power car is not my daily so do have the time, and i am no mechanic by any means but am keen on giving it a go and money well that comes and goes i do want it to be as little as possible though without taking to many short cuts

thanks

[jono1986]

Converting it to manual is very easy, engine conversion are harder and more expensive apart from a 5k which is a direct bolt on to your original setup. I'm pretty sure people will tell you not to bother with a 4ac and a 4age will cost you a fair bit, bit unsure but over 3 grand on average. Do a 5k conversion with a 5 speed, supercharge it with a sidedraught weber. That to me is the easiest and cheapest way to go....oh and a cam, extractors and exhaust etc. People will have different opinions, it's largely based on how much you actually want to spend like a grand or 5 grand, you know. Just another 2 cents from Jono.

Edited August 29, 2010 by jono1986

[wanzl]

so what would be easyer i kinda want to go step by step so put in gear box get the life out of this engine then go engine conversion but also don't want to end up back tracking when it comes to puting in another engine so if i can save my self by doing it all at 1ce ill go for that..

 

a 5k manual with all bits and bobs be easyer than buying

 

t50 gear box

x member

peddle box

master cylinder

tail shaft

do i need a different diff with this 1 been an auto?

and dash cluster does that need to be altered?

is that wats needed??

 

like i know if i was to get a 5k i have to pull the 4k out n basicly do what i have listed plus more anyways

gaining a little more power though

 

what does a engine consist off if i was to buy a 5k sorry if i sound like n idiot

obvisouly depending on what the seller sells it with, but does peddle box come with??? what else??

thanks

[SLW42]

If you get your self a ke70 k50 (5 speed k series engine gearbox) and a 5k engine (1.5L) manual pedal box, oh and a spigot bearing, put that into your 70 and you will see a massive improvement over the stock auto, THAT IS THE EASIEST WAY TO MAKE YOUR CAR GO FASTER

[jono1986]

so what would be easyer i kinda want to go step by step so put in gear box get the life out of this engine then go engine conversion but also don't want to end up back tracking when it comes to puting in another engine so if i can save my self by doing it all at 1ce ill go for that..

 

a 5k manual with all bits and bobs be easyer than buying

 

t50 gear box

x member

peddle box

master cylinder

tail shaft

do i need a different diff with this 1 been an auto?

and dash cluster does that need to be altered?

is that wats needed??

 

like i know if i was to get a 5k i have to pull the 4k out n basicly do what i have listed plus more anyways

gaining a little more power though

 

what does a engine consist off if i was to buy a 5k sorry if i sound like n idiot

obvisouly depending on what the seller sells it with, but does peddle box come with??? what else??

thanks

 

Not sure myself but with a 5k, you'll need a K50, peddle box, tail shaft depending on the splines, diff is the same, i'm pretty sure their cable clutch so no master cylinder and maybe a cross member. Dash cluster is the same. I think everything on a 4k can be bolted onto a 5k, just the carby will need re-jetting. I'd do the whole lot at the same time, cause i did the G.box in my car and now i want to put a 5k in but can't be stuffed. Other people will ellaborate and correct me.

[B.L.Z.BUB]

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[xmoht]

so what would be easyer i kinda want to go step by step so put in gear box get the life out of this engine

 

If it's only 120 thousand k's, expect it to live until you can afford a newer car. All the other parts will break before the engine I imagine.

[SLW42]

Not sure myself but with a 5k, you'll need a K50, peddle box, tail shaft depending on the splines, diff is the same, i'm pretty sure their cable clutch so no master cylinder and maybe a cross member. Dash cluster is the same. I think everything on a 4k can be bolted onto a 5k, just the carby will need re-jetting. I'd do the whole lot at the same time, cause i did the G.box in my car and now i want to put a 5k in but can't be stuffed. Other people will ellaborate and correct me.

not always man the tailshaft will need to be a manual one, not sure about the auto ones being the same? And you should get a carby with the motor if you end up buying a 5k

[altezzaclub]

Look up the build on mine, the first big mod was the convert to manual.

 

Easy to do, and you do need to change the tailshaft end.

 

Fit extractors, a free-flowing exhaust, a cam (a mid-range one) and an aftermarket air filter. That with the manual box will be twice as quick as what you have and hold 100kph all day. If you're really keen fit a bigger carb, Weber or SUs... they will go on a 5K if you fit one later.

 

If you can, get a manual diff, they have a taller ratio so will drop the revs. However you will probably find what we did, that the auto gear is all really really good, and the manual second-hand stuff is thrashed. We stuck with the slightly lower gear in the auto diff as the bearing and brakes were much better.

[wanzl]

thanks for all your replies

 

yeh the more i think about it the more sense it makes to pull out everything and then tackle it all at once!

after all it isnt my daily and as much as i wana have fun in it now :P manual transmission just wont be enough thatd be a short term fix..

so do all k series have the same peddle boxs??

and how easy is it to pick up a 5k these days am i best off going wreakers??things ive got to look out for in the 5k??

 

and this compared to the 4ac conversion is well worth it?

 

altezzaclub; yeh had a look at that very helpful ball park figure on how much this coast you?

 

thanks

[altezzaclub]

We bought the whole donor car for $400 and sold it afterwards without a gearbox for $250.

 

So $150 for the conversion plus $20 for the driveshaft. You put the manual front end onto the auto driveshaft.

 

That put a 4speed in there, and later we got a 5speed off here for a tray of beers! The 5speed bolted straight in.

 

You can see the extra bit on the manual pedal box, it fits into the auto OK, but a pain to do.

Edited August 29, 2010 by altezzaclub

[Johnno115]

Extra power... LS1??

[wanzl]

:P must of been some mighty fine beers

 

johno as says; can u donate I'm happy to fit :P

[Johnno115]

:P must of been some mighty fine beers

 

johno as says; can u donate I'm happy to fit :P

 

 

Some people say: nothing ever good came from beer, well, I'm pretty happy with how my car came out.

Edited August 29, 2010 by Johnno115

[wanzl]

Some people say: nothing ever good came from beer, well, I'm pretty happy with how my car came out.

 

yeh thats a clean ke20 you got there pal!, guessig there would of been an endless supply for those hours :P