Hey,

 

I am looking at increasing capacity in a ke20, i originally thought that oversize slugs

would be the go, but have heard rumours that the celica t engines, or the corona r engines

will bolt in.

Is this so, and would these conversions need an engineers cert ?

 

I have been searching round, and so far havent found much info on these engines/conversions. I am also interested in a list of conversions that are legal with vicroads (without a cert), or lists of engines that came in each model (of corona/celica) and their capacity/specs, does anyone know where i can find this ?

 

or

 

Does anyone know how far oversize you can go safely in a 3k block, as an alternative ?

 

thanks for your help

Hey,

 

I am looking at increasing capacity in a ke20, i originally thought that oversize slugs

would be the go, but have heard rumours that the celica t engines, or the corona r engines

will bolt in.

Is this so, and would these conversions need an engineers cert ?

 

I have been searching round, and so far havent found much info on these engines/conversions. I am also interested in a list of conversions that are legal with vicroads (without a cert), or lists of engines that came in each model (of corona/celica) and their capacity/specs, does anyone know where i can find this ?

 

or

 

Does anyone know how far oversize you can go safely in a 3k block, as an alternative ?

 

thanks for your help

 

From memory, you can replace your 3K with a 4K in Vic without an engineers. Somepeople have slipped a 5K through as well.

 

A 2T or corona motor will definitely need an Engineers. Ball park figure used to be a 10% increase in capacity, and it was time to go engineering, but that may have changed.

 

A Corona motor won't bolt in, and a Celica motor needs a bit of work to be made to fit, and is a squeeze in a 20. Gee they go once they're in though, although the weight tends to unsettle a 20.

 

FWIW I had a 1360cc 3K that was in my rally car, but that took a bit of talent on someone elses behalf to become that fat. At one point we were looking at a 1410cc 3K, but that put us out of the class we wanted to be in.

 

A bit of Googling will get you the engine information you seek.

I was blown away to find out that a 2T-G weighs 23kg more than a 4A-GE. And the heads look WAY bigger. If you want to convert to a 1600, I'd be going with the 4A-GE option. Or if you're trying to avoid rego hassles, stick to the K-series, as Redwarf suggests.

T series engines weigh more because they are made from melted down horseshoes and roofing nails and then bashed into a shape resembling an engine, by a blacksmith.

 

Most T series engines we see today date from the Meiji era and were actually discovered by marine archaeologists at the bottom of Tokyo harbour with long lengths of anchor chain attached.

 

They were then salvaged and reconditioned for automotive use.

T series engines weigh more because they are made from melted down horseshoes and roofing nails and then bashed into a shape resembling an engine, by a blacksmith.

 

Most T series engines we see today date from the Meiji era and were actually discovered by marine archaeologists at the bottom of Tokyo harbour with long lengths of anchor chain attached.

 

They were then salvaged and reconditioned for automotive use.

 

The only thing heavier than a T-series boat anchor is the R-series boat attached to it. Just like the T-series, they needed twin carbies and DOHC to make decent power, although they sounded like pure porn when hotted up.

T series engines weigh more because they are made from melted down horseshoes and roofing nails and then bashed into a shape resembling an engine, by a blacksmith.

 

Most T series engines we see today date from the Meiji era and were actually discovered by marine archaeologists at the bottom of Tokyo harbour with long lengths of anchor chain attached.

 

They were then salvaged and reconditioned for automotive use.

 

classic lol ! :dance:

(sad thing is thats pretty much true)............... oh well,

thank god car companies have learnt to use alloy now !

(we had to come from somewhere though)

 

Thanks for the help redwarf, i will now do some research on the rest of the k series,

this also seems like a much easier option seeing it will be pretty much a straight swap.

This said though, how much better is a 4k or later, would they have more space for oversize slugs, or is it just the advance in most of the technology, and better valvegear, that would make them the wiser choice ?

 

cheers

I was blown away to find out that a 2T-G weighs 23kg more than a 4A-GE. And the heads look WAY bigger. If you want to convert to a 1600, I'd be going with the 4A-GE option. Or if you're trying to avoid rego hassles, stick to the K-series, as Redwarf suggests.

 

i think i will stick to that k, maybe with oversize slugs (vicroads don't need to know) :lolcry:

 

on the subject of those weights, do you know how much a k engine would weigh in comparison,

to those t blocks ?

You would need a t series x-member to fit in a t motor into your car. Do not under estimate the T motors because here in the USA, there's existing motors as we speak that pushes out 600HP and that runs high 8's on 1/4 mile run. There's a few well known shops here that especializes here if you want to build a fully build t motor.

 

The R motor will need slight modification to your car because corolla never did equipped r motors anywhere in the world.

 

If you wanna stick with k motors, go find a 7k because those has capability of high HP when fully built.

You would need a t series x-member to fit in a t motor into your car. Do not under estimate the T motors because here in the USA, there's existing motors as we speak that pushes out 600HP and that runs high 8's on 1/4 mile run. There's a few well known shops here that especializes here if you want to build a fully build t motor.

 

The R motor will need slight modification to your car because corolla never did equipped r motors anywhere in the world.

 

If you wanna stick with k motors, go find a 7k because those has capability of high HP when fully built.

 

Thanks for your info, but for now i am stuck on a 5k.

 

We now have new P plate laws which are making it harder to have a modded car on your Ps. At

this stage my way of working around it is to put in a warm 5k, and hope not to get caught. I am

attempting to play on the fact that most cops don't know shit from clay (won't know the difference).

I figure that they will have more trouble realising the engine is not the standard one, if i put in a 5k as opposed

to a T or R engine.

 

This also seems to be a much easier conversion, that will still produce the power i need.

 

(not to say those are'nt healthy power figures ! man that would be fun :( )

 

Thanks anyway

Edited December 9, 200718 yr by Rad Rolla