Tham Posted May 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2006 (edited) As I said this is the way I found it set up on the 4K in the yard and I put it on mine the same, but it is not neccessarily the correct way ? Thanks again. Yes, I believe your setup is correct and is the one used on the stock engine. I've followed your setup and the engine appears to run normally, except for some sluggishness at acceleration and climbing slopes. Maybe my piston rings are worn, or the vacuum advance diaphragms are not in very good condition. Fuel consumption appears to have improved a little. I'm using one of those metal splitters with taps found in aquarium pumps for the hoses, so I could experiment shutting off the vacuum for each port of the diaphragm. Shutting off the inner stage makes the engine more sluggish, and shutting the outer one even worse. So I've opened up both ports. I tried connecting the vacuum delay valve to either of the two ports, and disconnecting it, but there didn't seem to be much difference. I'll try using the electronic coil later. It comes without a ballast resistor, so I wonder if adding the resistor from the old coil might reduce the current and protect it from overheating. Edited May 27, 2006 by Tham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tham Posted May 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 (edited) Hi again.... U mention that is was internally ignited.... Does that mean we dun need the coil.... The distributor for the 4K/5K uses an external coil. Later engines, such as the Proton Sagas (Iswara models) made after the mid-90's, has the ignitor, transformer coil and electronic advance all built inside the distributor housing. Soon Choi will give you a used coil if you buy this distributor from them. He gave me one by Hanshin marked "For Transistor Ignitor", though it looked very old. They also have ones with the ignitor strapped on top of a Nippondeso coil, but he said those are for other engines. As I mentioned in my earlier posts, you can also buy new electronic coils made by Diamond from most spare parts shops. I've also seen a very cute transformer coil by Diamond with a ballast resistor, meant for points distributors, but can also be used with electronic ignitors. You can buy it at Takara Auto in Ipoh Road for around $40. Edited May 24, 2006 by Tham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsdn Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 dear tham.. i ustand that u bought a 5k dizzy... what is the good of 5k dizzy compared to 4k electronic dizzy? will 5k dizzy give better fuel consumption?? another question... my coil is givin me problem lately.. Miss fires when i switch on the aircond and approach hills... can i change my coil to a electronic dizzy type and remain with the contact point dizzy?? thanks.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tham Posted June 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 (edited) The distributor is more or less a universal type made by Nippondenso for the K-series engines. All these electronic ignition units, whether stock and built into the distributor, or after-market external type, including those designed by electronic magazines such as the high energy unit by Silicon Chip, basically involve a trigger unit - an LED sensor, magnetic reluctor, Hall effect sensor or the points itself, and a power transistor as an electronic switch. In the more sophisticated designs, an IC regulates the coil current (as in the Silicon Chip unit) and electronic advance can also be built in, such as those by MSD. Thus the above distributor can be used on the 3K, 4K, 5K and probably the K, 2K and 7K as well. The electronic coil can also usually be used with contact points. My brother-in-law had a Mitsubishi Lancer with an electronic distributor and coil. One day, the distributor gave way, and he replaced it with the original points one. Didn't change the coil, and the engine started and ran normally. You can buy a used Hanshin electronic coil from Soon Choi for $10. Or why not buy the Diamond transfomer coil from Takara Auto ? Very compact unit. Takara Auto Parts Specialists 11, Jln Bacang, off Ipoh Rd 51200 Kuala Lumpur Are you sure it is your coil ? Could be your points or plugs. Edited June 5, 2006 by Tham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsdn Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 (edited) actually i m confused!! my mechanic said those missfire might caused by the ballast resistor as it did not performed well in the oscilloscope!!! and he said it might be due to the vavles not shutting properly!! if ballast resistor is the cause, then there is no separate resistor sold, so have to get the whole coil!! anyway i m planning to change my distributor 2 the electronic one!! i think i ll change the coil first than go with the distributor!! a bit tight budget bcos goin to upgrade to K50 5speed g/box next month! thanks! Edited June 5, 2006 by rsdn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeys toy[RL] Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 (edited) hey the dizzy in those photobucket pics is for a 4kE or 5kE, not sure on the 5k as we never got the 5k it's the same dizzy daisy uses the one pickup fires the coil the other pickup fires the injectors.....fyi btw; you can leave the inner connection disconnected, the retard just helps for emissions on deceleration. however the advance could be too high without it Edited June 5, 2006 by mikeys toy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woteva Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 the one pickup fires the coilthe other pickup fires the injectors.....fyi It only had two wires coming from it and they were both connected either side of the coil, one to +ve and the other to -ve. So I guess each wire was for a pick-up? Do you know which is which, or if it even matters? Cheers, w. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 the part under the smaller plastic cover is the reluctor (or whatever these things use to trigger the signal), and the larger plastic cover is over the internal ignitor. i think it does matter which way they are wired up. i have the wiring connections written down around here somewhere... the 4k electronic dizzy's i have seen, run a seperate external ignitor attached to the coil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tham Posted June 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 and he said it might be due to the vavles not shutting properly!! Why don't you ask him to loosen the valve clearances then ? But I doubt if somewhat tight tappets can cause misfirings when the engine is under mechanical or electrical load. Sounds more like an ignition problem. if ballast resistor is the cause, then there is no separate resistor sold, so have to get the whole coil!! My usual spare parts shop in Segambut, Sheng Hua, showed me a Hitachi coil without a ballast resistor the other day, model C1Z-500. Probably has resistance wire in the coil windings. Cost about $40 again. Can be used with both points and ignitors, I believe. Should be a good choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsdn Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 ya tham... might be goin with the hitachi coil u mentioned.... take care... goin back home town ipoh 4 holidays....3 weeks... catcha guys later!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tham Posted July 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 This was taken from the Hayne's manual on the Toyota Starlet. I think it was based on the 4K-E engine. http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n234/THAM_4K/DIST.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n234/THAM_4K/DIST1.jpg The electronic distributor looks basically the same as the ones which some of us have here. The connection diagram is for fuel injection, but note that the vacuum advance for the distributor's lower stage appears to be taken from the intake manifold, with the upper one going to the standard vacuum inlet above the throttle butterfly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ke30corolla.coupe Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 will this electronic dizzy fit a 3k and what model car do they come from i don't want to sound dumb but if i don't ask i wont know and I'm new to corollas and can't find a closer thread to ask this question in :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corolla_Kid Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 Hey guys, I've been getting some conflicting information and decided to ask here for a definitive answer. I've got an electronic distributor and i read on the boards to run a gt40 coil. But i've since heard that these fry the dizzys after about 2 months as the lekky dizzy wasnt designed for the higher voltage coil. So does anyone know what coil i should have? Cheers Justin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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