Ae86 - Ae70 Clutch Pedals

[tetsujin]

Hi all

 

i have a ke70 that I plan to put a 4age in as it currently has a stock 4k.

 

now, re the conversion, I am all set, know what to do etc.

 

but the problem that has just come up is that. I am using a ae86 as a complete donner car for the ke70.

 

but I have been told that even the ae86 pedal box is not a straight fit?? If its not what exactly should/needs to be done to make it go in correctly??

 

And tips from people who have atually done the conversion using a ae86 pedal box??

 

 

Cheers

 

adam :P

[Medicine_Man]

From what I understand if you have a KE70 manual pedal box you just have to drill a hole for the clutch master to mount in. Other than that you have to slot a few holes to make the AE86 pedal box fit.

[Rollin-Rolla]

yeh id agree with medicine man. I'm not doing the same engine conversion but i am doing a sr20det conversion and that still requires a clutch master cylinder to be installed. don't see why you would need to completely change the pedal box. you may have your reasoning but if its to do with the clutch master then you don't need to change it over. i actually just bought my clutch master today, itll fit easily just need to drill holes for it to bolt on.

[anastasios]

You can also use the AE71 pedal box and it should all bolt in

[Medicine_Man]

Then you have to cut a hole in the firwall for the clutch master, What a fun job that is.. Matt (Teddy) and I found out what a prick of a job it is today..

[Rollin-Rolla]

Medicine man i got a question for you.

 

i have my ke70 also and i got a t15 hydraulic clutch which is supposedly the same. and it actually does seem to fit in the tube where the clutch cable used to go through. my question is, did you also use this tube? its up and very slightly to the right of the brake booster. i realise you need to drill the screw thread wholes also. also do you have any photos cause i wish to perform my conversion and want to get it right to begin with. also i noticed the hole where the clutch cable used to go through is a bit smale and needs to be cut out more. this is how i plan to take it on, just wanted to make sure i was on the right track.

 

does anything change pedal wise? apparently some clutch modifications need to be performed. i am unsure why tho, don't see it being a large problem.

 

If anyone has any advice and has performed this conversion please post here aswell. if you have photos that would be great. thanks

 

also on these photos the sill panel above the tube you can see it sticks out and is in the way of the bolt going in, has anyone else had this problem?

 

if there is anything anyone can suggest let me know

Edited August 5, 2006 by Rollin-Rolla

[Medicine_Man]

I'll try get some photos of Teddy's one as we do it, Haven't quite got the hole big enough for the clutch master to go through yet..

[Rollin-Rolla]

I'll try get some photos of Teddy's one as we do it, Haven't quite got the hole big enough for the clutch master to go through yet..

 

 

so at the moment i am on the right track? i believe its another common misconception by people saying things bolt in from other cars firstly it was the RA60 struts which don't, and the AE71 clutch master also doesnt, but i don't see it being difficult to fit either. thanks for that man. ill keep an eye on the posts

[Rollin-Rolla]

i just did some researching and looking at my car. i found out that you don't cut that tube or use any part of that hole. below the old clutch cable hole and right next to the brake booster, you can see an indent of where the flange from the clutch master cylinder should be mounted. also inside the cabin you should see a diamond cut in the foam, which matches the flange shape. as you can see its mounted lower and thats exactly where it should go.

 

if you think about it when you put your foot on the clutch the top of the clutch pulls ont he cable, but converting to hydraulic you need to push the cylinder in. so if you mount it through the cable hole it wont work. thats why the whole needs to be lower the pivot point so when your foot goes on the clutch it pushes it in.

 

to those of you performing the conversion I'm sure it makes sense. on my ke70 there are no holes or anything provided so you still need to drill, and use a hole saw. hope this helps.

Edited August 6, 2006 by Rollin-Rolla

[Fat Bastard Customs]

i just did some researching and looking at my car. i found out that you don't cut that tube or use any part of that hole. below the old clutch cable hole and right next to the brake booster, you can see an indent of where the flange from the clutch master cylinder should be mounted. also inside the cabin you should see a diamond cut in the foam, which matches the flange shape. as you can see its mounted lower and thats exactly where it should go.

 

if you think about it when you put your foot on the clutch the top of the clutch pulls ont he cable, but converting to hydraulic you need to push the cylinder in. so if you mount it through the cable hole it wont work. thats why the whole needs to be lower the pivot point so when your foot goes on the clutch it pushes it in.

 

to those of you performing the conversion I'm sure it makes sense. on my ke70 there are no holes or anything provided so you still need to drill, and use a hole saw. hope this helps.

 

this is correct accept for 1 thing, the AE71 pedal box has a brace that pushes up againt the firewall to stop flexing of the clutch assembly, also the pedal itself is different and has a different mount for the hydraulic master.

 

And in answer to the original question, u can make a sprinter clutch pedal assembly fit, but it is not fun at all, it takes a fair bit of stuffing arount and the clutch master ends up slightly towards the passenger side in stead if where its supossed to be :)

Edited August 12, 2006 by Fat Bastard Customs

[KE354AGE]

You can't just use the KE70 pedal box...well you can but it needs to be modded.

I'm not sure if this is any help, but i recently put a 4AG into a KE35, and it is pretty easy to convert the cable clutch to hydraulic, you need to be able to weld and grind tho...

 

 

hands up who wants me to take pics of it??

[Medicine_Man]

Here is a view from both sides of the firewall where the clutch master has to go through. Unfortunatly We burnt out the first hole saw because it wasn't a metal one (argh!) and had no centre as a guide. Ended up dremeling it out but still have to slot it out a bit more to the passenger side yet.. (Brake booster holes in pedal box don't line up properly yet).