bLinded_ Posted October 6, 2008 Author Report Posted October 6, 2008 Wellllll, It is all in the car, and right to go. But, the god damn starter motor finally shat itself so now I have to wait till my new reduction one comes, either Tuesday or Wednesday :) It always was a bad starter, and struggled to turn over the low compression 4K, but the newly rebuilt 5K was just too much for it to handle. Pretty much just got to wait now. I'm pretty pissed off 8/ Ahh yeah lol, saw your thread last night about your new KE70 :yes: Sounds like a great buy, especially coming with rego. should make a decent daily/thrasher :) Quote
08ftw Posted October 6, 2008 Report Posted October 6, 2008 Mad. This is alot like what i want to do to mine. Whats your reason for going 5k instead of 4age? I am considering going 5k just because of the fact that at first glance, you can't notice the difference between it and a 4k. I really like this car man, ride height is very nice aswell. Good work, inspiration for me :) Quote
bLinded_ Posted October 6, 2008 Author Report Posted October 6, 2008 (edited) Mad. This is alot like what i want to do to mine. Whats your reason for going 5k instead of 4age? I am considering going 5k just because of the fact that at first glance, you can't notice the difference between it and a 4k. I really like this car man, ride height is very nice aswell. Good work, inspiration for me :yes: Cheers man, glad you like it :) Reasoning behind the 5K was basically because this is my daily, and I need to get to and from work each day, so pretty much, the 5K I can put in over a weekend, where as, I don't fancy my chances of even getting a 4AGE conversion done in 2 weeks. EFI, wiring etc, I just don't know enough about it all to attempt it yet. Also, thought the 5K was a good idea as it would be cheaper and less noticable to police if/when I get pulled over. That being said, it'll end up still costing the same, if not more than a 4AGE conversion by the time I have it all finished and get it tuned. :yes: I guess also I went the 5K as every old man and his dog is doing a 4AGE. Thought it might be fun to have a tough little K series after watching Medicine_Man's corolla on youtube once upon a time. :yes: Ride height is a little lower at the front now as I dropped the coilovers down a little more. Looks alot better imo, just is running out of shock travel at the front. :) Never sectioned the struts when I made them) If you like it, you should have a go at doing the conversion yourself. First one I've done, and my old man and I managed to have it done in less than a weekends work. (Minus the broken starter 8/ ) Just look around on here and ebay, you should be able to pick up a 5K anywhere between $50 to $300 depending on condition. Edited October 6, 2008 by bLinded_ Quote
08ftw Posted October 6, 2008 Report Posted October 6, 2008 Yea, i've got some 86 coilovers coming, xt-130 arms going in and k-50 with a 5k. If i can find a 5k soon it will be sweet. I've been slowly accumulating parts, but i want to have them all here so i can put them in at once. Like i don't want to put my rona arms in untill i get the rest of my suspension shit so i don't have to keep having to pull all of it apart. So what work have you got planned for the 5k? Quote
bLinded_ Posted October 6, 2008 Author Report Posted October 6, 2008 Yea, i've got some 86 coilovers coming, xt-130 arms going in and k-50 with a 5k. If i can find a 5k soon it will be sweet. I've been slowly accumulating parts, but i want to have them all here so i can put them in at once. Like i don't want to put my rona arms in untill i get the rest of my suspension shit so i don't have to keep having to pull all of it apart. So what work have you got planned for the 5k? That's the way to do it :) Get everything you need, and do it right the first time. Well, basically I don't have anything else planned for the 5K. It is 90% done. Rebuilt the bottom end, got the camshaft reground, and had some new valve springs fitted. It is in the car now (as of this weekend) Just waiting on a new starter then I'll fire it up. Only thing left to do is fit the twin carbs and extractors once the engine is run in. It is really only a mild build, just to have a little fun in and have more power than my 40hp 4K. Am probably going to look down then SR path if I decided I want more grunt in the future. Quote
bLinded_ Posted October 9, 2008 Author Report Posted October 9, 2008 (edited) UPDATE!!!! 5K is running finally!! :P :P New starter is in and my god does it make a difference. Old one couldn't even turn the engine over, the new reduction gear one kicks it over first turn. :cool: But yeah, sounds bloody tough (although straight off the exhaust manifold). I'll upload a video sometime soon. -Alex Edited October 10, 2008 by bLinded_ Quote
Medicine_Man Posted October 9, 2008 Report Posted October 9, 2008 Good to hear that this is running :P Quote
bLinded_ Posted October 10, 2008 Author Report Posted October 10, 2008 (edited) Cheers man :P Had a fair share of dramas along the way (appreciate all the help), but thankfully the problems were rectified and she is good to go now. A quick rundown of what has happened for those who don't know: Firstly, had the engine fitted and right to go. Turned the key and the starter cranked once or twice then lost the will to live. This of coarse was on the long weekend, so I couldn't get a new starter for till a few days later. Then, Second problem. Got it cranking sweet thanks to the new starter. Then, oh wtf? no spark. Everything was double checked, then triple checked, and it was all set up correctly. Turns out that somehow between removing the dizzy from the 4K and fitting it to the 5K, the points decided to short out. So they then had to be replaced. And finally, It started, and drove like a dream. Was driving for about 40mins then we pulled over and popped the bonnet to make sure everything still looked fine. Was all good, so down came the bonnet and got in the car again to drive off. Put it back into first, then all of a sudden, instant loss of power. Smoke then began to come from the bonnet so we hurriedly got that open to find half the wiring loom smoking and such. Old man managed to reef the terminals off the battery which minimised the damage, but the starter circuit and a few others were nicely toasted. Towed it home and soon discovered that the power to the starter had managed to short out on the body of the starter somehow. So yeah, spent tonight rebuilding the starter circuit and all the rest of the melted wires, plus fixing any wires that were severed when the terminals were reefed off. But, she lives to see another day now :P Had another drive tonight, still feels great. Really just can't wait till the Dellortos and extractors go on. Looking to do them next weekend hopefully. Tomorrow she will be paying a visit to a mechanic we know so it can have the timing done properly and also so he can have a drive/listen and see if he can't find any MORE problems. Definitely had our share of dramas for such a straight forward swap. Hopefully they end here (touch wood) -Alex Edit: Worked out how to upload a video to Youtube, so it is. Edited October 10, 2008 by bLinded_ Quote
08ftw Posted November 5, 2008 Report Posted November 5, 2008 YES! Thats overrated as. Haha, seems like everything seemed to go wrong once you got something else sorted out. How does she drive? I got mine lowered on the weekend, controls arms in and what not. I have only got a 4k and i am still loving my car. I can imagine how much you love it with a 5k! Haha So what other progress has been made? Quote
bLinded_ Posted November 6, 2008 Author Report Posted November 6, 2008 Ha ha, yeah you're right about everything going wrong, but hey, that's all part of the fun :bash: Drives pretty nicely for an untuned engine. Can really notice the extra torque (actually managed to spin the wheels one wheel in the dry) so it makes it alot smoother to drive. Still get about the same fuel economy as the 4K, but I guess that's because I have to use less throttle to achieve the same speeds etc. Good to hear that you've got the new control arms in. I bet it feels better around corners now that it doesn't boat all over the shop. They are still good fun with a 4K in them, but, I highly recommend, if you get the chance to put a 5K in, do it! Just makes it that much easier to get up hills with :) Other progress is minimal at the moment as I've been quite busy with work etc. Spent tonight fitting the carbs and linkages to the manifold. They are all good to go now, so this weekend, if I get the time, I'll be fitting the Dellortos and extractors. I am also expecting some sw20 AGXs for the front, as I've been meaning to get around to sectioning the coilovers to accommodate shorter shocks. Found some at a good price, so thought I may aswell get them, and I also haven't spent much money on the car latley so I thought, "why not?" :) Bad news though, is that the rims I bought form Japland are still yet to arrive. Has been like 3 months or something stupid, so yeah, not really happy. Just hoping that they turn up soon. The last I heard was that they were in customs, so never have bought rims from overseas before, I have no idea how long they should take. Sort of was under the impression that 6 weeks was about the average time :bash: Other bad news, is that my gearbox is oh so close to giving up. Though, I guess it is a good thing aswell as it means I have a definite reason to go a 5 speed. Which leads me to ask: Anyone with a spare K50 gearbox, please let me know here or PM me!! :bash: Well, that's my monthly update for anyone interested. :bash: -Alex Quote
08ftw Posted November 6, 2008 Report Posted November 6, 2008 http://www.rollaclub.com/board/?showtopic=23549 Its a bit far i know, but if you get desperate... When you put the 5k in how much work did you do to it before you put in it. Like rebuild, block work, head work etc? I went to repco yesterday to see how much it would be to rebuild most of the bottom end and its expensive!! Like $549 and thats just bottom end gear, I was hoping to build this engine for under $1000 but I doubt thats going to happen if i look at carbs, cam, headers, and head work. What sort of rims have you ordered? And speeecccccccs! Quote
bLinded_ Posted November 7, 2008 Author Report Posted November 7, 2008 http://www.rollaclub.com/board/?showtopic=23549 Its a bit far i know, but if you get desperate... When you put the 5k in how much work did you do to it before you put in it. Like rebuild, block work, head work etc? I went to repco yesterday to see how much it would be to rebuild most of the bottom end and its expensive!! Like $549 and thats just bottom end gear, I was hoping to build this engine for under $1000 but I doubt thats going to happen if i look at carbs, cam, headers, and head work. What sort of rims have you ordered? And speeecccccccs! Yeah definitely a little too far away for me. Good price, but freight would be not worth it unfortunately. Pretty much just stripped the whole bottom end down after I got the engine. Gave it a hone, then just put in all new bearings, seals, welsh plugs, new rings and the reground cam. The head was in pretty good condition apart from the pushrods, so I had to get new ones from Toyota. Apart from those, the only real work done to it was new stronger valve springs and a face plane plus valve stem seals. Didn't really want to put alot of money into it as if I was aiming for alot of power, going 4AGE or Nissan power would be the better option. I managed to get most of my parts at a VERY good price, so basically the VRS kit, rings etc only cost me like 350$ all up :) was less than 50% off for most parts. Again with the headers and exhaust, I managed to get a great buy on them (second hand) so I saved a fair bit of money there. Carbs I got off eBay for pretty cheap, but they did require a fair bit of cleaning up and kitting etc. You could easily doa basic rebuild for about $500 if you look around. Probably stay away from Repco though. If you can look around all other sotres, just see who has the best price, then try back at the other places and see if they can do any better. Every little bit adds up, so the more you can save, the better. If you do go down the twin carb path, that is where it will become expensive. Manifolds, linkages, soft mounts, air filters, etc. Adds up very fast, trust me :bash: Then there is the tuning on top of that, which costs alot. I think a rebuild + carbs will be hard to squeeze in under $1000. But I'm sure it will be worth it in the long run :) And rims are a pair of 15 x 8 +10 SSR Mesh. Just hoping that they actually do come... Quote
bLinded_ Posted November 9, 2008 Author Report Posted November 9, 2008 (edited) The old man and I got busy today...Click The sound quality is nothing special, but, it does run which is a surprise. That being said, it does have a pretty major issue that I need help working out. Basically, it is ok at idle, pretty rough, but still idles, however, when we took it for a drive, there is ZERO power. There is just no torque at all and can hardly pull up the slightest incline, had to clutch in and rev it then release the clutch again. Was not fun :D I am no expert at all with all of this, so if anyone can suggest anything that may help, that would be very appreciated. :D I'm guessing that it may be something to do with choke/jet sizes, but I have no idea if this is one of the symptoms of that. I am going to take it to a proper carb guy when I can, but at the moment it is just too dangerous to drive in its current state. Minus the whole not having any power under load situation, I am pretty damn happy to have it all on and running. Sounds good too :y: WARRRRRP WARRRRRRRRRRRRRP!! Any replies are welcome regarding carbie problems! -Alex Edited November 10, 2008 by bLinded_ Quote
TRD ke70 Posted November 10, 2008 Report Posted November 10, 2008 just listened to that video and it sounds like a jetting problem, do you know what jets you have in there? sounds flat, what did they come off? ram pipes(tubes)would be a good idea as well helps with air speed/flow. you need to know your venturi(chokes) sizes and what your jet sizes are. also which way the accelerator pump discharge jets face, basically which way they squirt, they should squirt down the port towards the valve, but some squirt down on to the carby body, not good for performance. if they are secondhand a good strip and clean would also be a good idea. Quote
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