tylerrice Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Hi i have just brought another KE55 Coupe with a 4K, 4speed all Stock. I would like to know what to do to it first, Some things I would like are to keep the 4K engine, save as much money as possible and do heaps of shopping from U-Pull-It or cheaper stores/online sellers. Things i would like to know are what are the simplest and/or most effective things to do to the engine and what parts (i.e name of part, model number and possible places to get) Things i want to do with the car: Be fast off the mark Sound like those V8 FPV's Be able to butterfly it (I think that's what its called, you know the sound it makes when you have a turbo i think and it goes vrooommm ti ti ti ti tooow or whatever it is LOL) If it could be street legal (In SA if its not too hard) I have done some reading and looking around here and there and have got a small understanding of a few things but its not the best and when i read things like How to build a Tough K Series Engine i get confused with most of the Mechanical talk, I'm sure my friend who will be helping me will understand all that but i can't just expect him to walk in and do it all that's why I'm after the basic parts list so i can get some idea of what to put in and what works together whit what and what wont work with that. So all the help and info will be muchly appreciated as long as its dumbed down for me :) Thanks Tyler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white_sandshoe Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 (edited) Hmmm... Easiest way to get all the things you asked for, stick a twin turbo V8 into it? Edited November 3, 2009 by white_sandshoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toy-Yoda[RL] Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 (edited) lol, you want to does.....and sound like an 8...... Save up your cookie money and buy a turbo V8, a corolla will never do any of the things you're chasing....... Edited November 3, 2009 by Toy-Yoda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tylerrice Posted November 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 and how much would one of them set me back around? whats the other mods i can do to get some more power outta the car? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anastasios Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 ok first of all how old are you? are there any licence restrictions that do not let you drive turbo cars? I'm not sure whats legal down there, a turbo v8 could cost an unlimited amount of money, what is your budget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philbey Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 (edited) Mate are you trolling? how much would a turbo V8 cost? Honestly, probably set you back at least $10,000 if you want to jam it into a rolla and make it road legal in SA. FPV V8s sound like that because they have a V8. Turbos, make the noise you speak of, it's called flutter or Dosing,you can fit one to your corolla. Corollas can be made to go quicker off the mark, whether they're ever "fast off the mark" is debatable. Edited November 3, 2009 by philbey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tylerrice Posted November 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Ok scrap the V8 sound :) I would only like to spend around $2500 - $3000 but thats over a stretched out time like $200 Max a week to stretch out the project. So what modifications would you suggest first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerhead Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 As others said you'll never be fast off the mark with a 4K. The reason many of us are into the corolla's is how nimble to drive they become with a bit of suspension work. Possibly it might be worth modding the suspension on the car first. Look out for a 5K 1.5L or a 7K 1.8L down the wreckers, its the easiest way to make a bit of extra power, and won't require custom engine mounts. If your on your P's this probably won't even be legal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white_sandshoe Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Save your pennies... the impression I, and I am sure many others here, are getting, you'll need some help with setting up any mod other than perhaps bling rims... Unless you've got some mates with skills in this area, I'd sugggest you'll end up having to spend at least half your budget on someone else doing the work? in this case, out of that 2.5 - 3 grand you might end up with a mild cam, set of extractors and a weber downdraught fitted and tuned, but not much else. You mentioned you have a mate who can help, which is handy... In that case, provided his skills are up to it, I'd suggest finding a 3K head and building it up... What that will mean is you can port and polish, match port and put in upgraded valve springs without touching your original engine. I'd look at either a 32/32 downdraught or a 40mm side draught weber and manifold, set of decent extractors and a full length exhaust. There's not much reason to pay over $2000 for all of that brand new. Then when you have it all set up and ready to go, pull the 4K head off and bolt the built 3K head on (it's a direct swap, one unbolts, the other bolts straight on.) at the same time, remove the camshaft and replace it with a lumpier cam. Have a talk to a cam specialist to see what type of cam grind would suit your driving style. Personally I prefer to drive low in the rev range while one of my good mates prefers to rev above 6000rpm... because of our different driving styles, we'd choose vastly different camshafts, so work out which one is best, judging from the way you drive your car as it is... There's no reason your camshaft should cost more than a few hundred, and even ask about getting a stock cam reground. With the left over money, you should have enough for a decent clutch to help with your launches... because K engines have NO torque, you'll need a clutch that will let you launch at about 4500, depending on where the power is in the rev range in the engine you build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz_Rx Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 ....a corolla will never do any of the things you're chasing....... Ahem..... That sound like dosage to me!!! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toy-Yoda[RL] Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Ahem..... That sound like dosage to me!!! :) Ok, you have me on that, I kinda meant in combination; quick off line + V8 sound + does + street legal (lol). *crawls back into box* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white_sandshoe Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 and Taz RX, how much did it cost for that setup??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan G Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 just put a 253 in it with a couple of pigeons stuck to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ae824ate Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 I only read the first few posts hahahaaaa. Seriously, how old are you? You want a quick off the mark, FPV sounding, turbo doseing corolla? Wont sound like a FPV, but try a 4agze or an sr20, or save up your pennies and go all out, like 2jz-gte or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tylerrice Posted November 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Save your pennies... the impression I, and I am sure many others here, are getting, you'll need some help with setting up any mod other than perhaps bling rims... Unless you've got some mates with skills in this area, I'd sugggest you'll end up having to spend at least half your budget on someone else doing the work? in this case, out of that 2.5 - 3 grand you might end up with a mild cam, set of extractors and a weber downdraught fitted and tuned, but not much else. You mentioned you have a mate who can help, which is handy... In that case, provided his skills are up to it, I'd suggest finding a 3K head and building it up... What that will mean is you can port and polish, match port and put in upgraded valve springs without touching your original engine. I'd look at either a 32/32 downdraught or a 40mm side draught weber and manifold, set of decent extractors and a full length exhaust. There's not much reason to pay over $2000 for all of that brand new. Then when you have it all set up and ready to go, pull the 4K head off and bolt the built 3K head on (it's a direct swap, one unbolts, the other bolts straight on.) at the same time, remove the camshaft and replace it with a lumpier cam. Have a talk to a cam specialist to see what type of cam grind would suit your driving style. Personally I prefer to drive low in the rev range while one of my good mates prefers to rev above 6000rpm... because of our different driving styles, we'd choose vastly different camshafts, so work out which one is best, judging from the way you drive your car as it is... There's no reason your camshaft should cost more than a few hundred, and even ask about getting a stock cam reground. With the left over money, you should have enough for a decent clutch to help with your launches... because K engines have NO torque, you'll need a clutch that will let you launch at about 4500, depending on where the power is in the rev range in the engine you build. Ok that's the things I needed to hear, but a few questions if you don't mind... 1. Out of the 32/32 down draft or 40mm side draft Weber what is better? (for a stock 4k) 2. With the extractors what type, brand, size etc. and full size exhaust, size type etc. 3. The 3k head that is meant to bolt straight on, is it a stock untouched one straight off the 3k engine? and what does it do? 4. A lumpier cam? When i drive i normally get the maximum revs i can. 5. and by decent clutch you mean.... brand, model etc. Thanks heaps for the info, but like i said i need all the info i can get like brands and stuff like that and if your in adelaide which places did you get your parts from and which were the most reliable places and cheapest. Oh and yeah my friend know the lot but i don't what to leave all the work to him I wan't to walk up to him and go this is what I would like to do sort of get a plan. maybe you could write up a small shopping list style thing... Eg. Engine: 4k with worked 3k head (details) 32/32 down draft Weber (details) extractors (size, brand etc.) clutch: lumpier one... (what type etc.) and so on... Would be really helpful and would mean the world... maybe a carton coming your way if i choose your setup... (or the money for a carton :)) Ahem..... That sound like dosage to me!!! 07-nyahnyah.gif Taz could you please write up a stock list of what you have in that car and the rough prices :) That is very very nice... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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