253? fark that! make noise and go nowhere! i would rather a horse and cart :)

 

I wouldnt underestimate the 253, Only slow cause of the cars they were in, My brothers modified but unopened one in his old LX hatchback beat his mates 350 chev UC sedan and the fact that they are a 'destroked 308' they rev harder, My 2c.

I'm assuming you're just referring to the early 3.8L Buick V6. The Ecotec in the VT Commodores put out 200hp from the factory (147kW in VT & VTII form, 152kW in VX onwards). I know that the 3.8 in the VN's was only doing about 120kW (160hp), but that could EASILY be picked up through a free flowing exhaust and mild cam. Of course, if you're talking about 200hp at the wheels, that's a different matter.

 

Either way I think using a 3.8L Commodore motor (no matter which model it's from) in an AE86 is one of the dumber ideas I've heard suggested. They're heavy, they're absolutely shit design (they were designed about 30 years ago), and they're not that powerful. Their only advantage is they make reasonable torque down low, but there are PLENTY of engines that can out do them even in that area.

 

How about instead of a Commodore 3.8L V6, try something REALLY different. Like a Rover 3.5L V8? Instead of a cast iron piece of shit, you get an engien that only weighs 170kg. It was also designed by Buick, which might keep you happy, it's also still a pushrod engine, but a far better design. Plus if you decided you didn't have enough power, you've always got the option of going up in capacity to as much as 5.0L. And the Rover 3.5L is famous for it's torque, which I presume is why you are going with the Commodore V6. And Rover V8's shouldn't be that expensive either. Plus no one else will have done it - ever.

I'm assuming you're just referring to the early 3.8L Buick V6. The Ecotec in the VT Commodores put out 200hp from the factory (147kW in VT & VTII form, 152kW in VX onwards). I know that the 3.8 in the VN's was only doing about 120kW (160hp), but that could EASILY be picked up through a free flowing exhaust and mild cam. Of course, if you're talking about 200hp at the wheels, that's a different matter.

 

Either way I think using a 3.8L Commodore motor (no matter which model it's from) in an AE86 is one of the dumber ideas I've heard suggested. They're heavy, they're absolutely shit design (they were designed about 30 years ago), and they're not that powerful. Their only advantage is they make reasonable torque down low, but there are PLENTY of engines that can out do them even in that area.

 

How about instead of a Commodore 3.8L V6, try something REALLY different. Like a Rover 3.5L V8? Instead of a cast iron piece of shit, you get an engien that only weighs 170kg. It was also designed by Buick, which might keep you happy, it's also still a pushrod engine, but a far better design. Plus if you decided you didn't have enough power, you've always got the option of going up in capacity to as much as 5.0L. And the Rover 3.5L is famous for it's torque, which I presume is why you are going with the Commodore V6. And Rover V8's shouldn't be that expensive either. Plus no one else will have done it - ever.

Well said dude... The rover V8 is a hidden gem, plus their are stacks of aftermarket parts available for them, if you look in the right places of course...

253? fark that! make noise and go nowhere! i would rather a horse and cart :)

 

haha so true :)

well its all about personal preference. i believe he should buy my 4age and put it in it lol....

kermit 55 you wont sell me your 4 age ... jerk and as i said erlyer in this topick i found a way around if they belive my story lol and am puting in a 4 agte but if some 1 could point me in the direction of findin 1 of these rover moters or evan some imfo that would be much apreceated

Edited October 4, 200718 yr by drift pig

4wd wreckers that have Land Rover Disco's in the yard

 

Or even wreckers that have Rover wrecks (Eg - Euro trash wreckers)

Even some MG's used the motor

Let the kid do as he sees fit, put a commodore engine in, or if you think you can get around the laws go for it.

 

But a 20v will sound better, teach you how to drive and won't drop in value like a hacked up 86 with a boat anchor in the front will.

 

Oh and it might go around corners

20v 20v 20v

 

pref. blacktop!

 

none of this commodore wank.

Nothing wrong with the Buick fwd donk. Just a shame that you have to be mindful of the early ones, not a great deal is transferable between the series. The ECOTECH version is the better pick.