Evan G Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 clunkers not corollas :jamie: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ae95- wagon kid Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 if they are going to take corolla's and old cars of the road i hope they just don't cube them send them to the wreckers such as u-pull it so blokes like us can get cheap parts instead of having to source expensive rare as rocking horse sh#t parts i got into corolla's because they are reliable and CHEAP the love developed when i have had fantastic yet troubled times with mates doing them up less corollas in the world NO THANKS Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid-Ae Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 How about the Government stop driving around in fleets of f@$king Caprice's and use something a little more efficient? If they want to lead the way in lower emissions, why not ride around in a tricked out Mini or something? :jamie: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clubby2084 Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 In a fit of madness about 12 months ago I looked at trading my AE82. ALL dealers in Darwin said they were not interested in trading my car (even though they agreed it was in amazing condition for it's age). I was told to sell privately. So to Darwin Suzuki, VW, Ford & Mazda - a sale and any future sale from me (and as many as I can convince) gone... Now I repaired the A/C, front struts, steering, and brakes. I have a car that feels as though it will travel for another 24 years. I can also take the moral high ground (like almost all Rolla Club drivers) knowing I have recycled a perfectly good car, rather than pollute the planet buying a freshly built one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philbey Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 (edited) Not good for the speedway blokes, Our KE30 bits and shells will be harder to get and hence more expensive Give it 10 years though andy and nobody will be speedway racing KE30's, it'll be the next generation of cheap economical shitboxes like Excels or something. Damn, back 50 years ago, speedway guys were thrashing around in 32 ford coupes because nobody wanted them any more! nice post sandshoe, Problem is, the politicians prolly don't know what ethanol is let alone what is involved in converting a car to accept it.... ..... They know what ethanol is - they're the ones who brought the legal maximum does down from 15 percent to 10 percent, although there are a couple of places running E85, you used to have to get them to unlock the pump for you. Ethanol isn't the be all end all solution though. As mentioned, there isnt enough arable land in the world to grow sugar cane to supply the world. Saab released a flex fuel car a couple of years ago though, it would run on any mix from 100% petrol to 100% ethanol. Until they commercialise the production of cellulosic ethanol, it's not feasible. Then there's a myriad of other problems, like Ethanol's tendency to absorb water; all you Tropics dwellers are going to go on 4 week holidays and come back to find you can't get the bloody car started and the tank is rusting from the inside out! I'm really curious to put a built engine next to a stock engine and see what the difference is in power figures.... They've been using ethanol in racing forever. My uncles old sprint car made 350 all day every day from a chev half-a-V8... the little pushrod 4 cyls the class dictates they run. horrid dinosaur engine, and he's making 350rwhp... sandshoe, you not thinking of Methanol are you? They run that in all sorts of race classes, especially the V8 crowd. Top Alchohol class in drag racing is meth not eth. BTW I'm a huge Ethanol fan, I always planned on building my 5K to run it. Trev's right, dial the timing right up and it'll run better. Although Ethanol has lower calorific value (less energy per litre) than petrol, it's effective octane rating is very high, so you can run loads of comp and advance it plenty. Efficiency is hugely influenced by Comp ratio, that's why diesels work well. Zoom had an article years back where they tuned an R32 for petrol then retuned it for Ethanol on the dyno and it made more power on Ethanol. Or maybe it was autospeed... dunno. Edited July 27, 2010 by philbey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesseb369 Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 I went red in the face when that Ranga said they were gonna be taking old cars off the road. I was so mad. haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 mentions numbers from about 4.7-5.7. so yeah i guess its closer to 4L than 6L.and in aus there is alot of highway driving, so i can only assume the milage would get a bit worse? i dunno. - Fuel consumption - combined (L/100km) 3.9 * (Note: Fuel consumption will vary depending on driving conditions/style, vehicle conditions and options/accessories.) http://www.toyota.com.au/prius/specifications/prius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white_sandshoe Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 They know what ethanol is - they're the ones who brought the legal maximum does down from 15 percent to 10 percent, although there are a couple of places running E85, you used to have to get them to unlock the pump for you. Ethanol isn't the be all end all solution though. As mentioned, there isnt enough arable land in the world to grow sugar cane to supply the world. Saab released a flex fuel car a couple of years ago though, it would run on any mix from 100% petrol to 100% ethanol. Until they commercialise the production of cellulosic ethanol, it's not feasible. Then there's a myriad of other problems, like Ethanol's tendency to absorb water; all you Tropics dwellers are going to go on 4 week holidays and come back to find you can't get the bloody car started and the tank is rusting from the inside out! sandshoe, you not thinking of Methanol are you? They run that in all sorts of race classes, especially the V8 crowd. Top Alchohol class in drag racing is meth not eth. The commercialisation of cellulosic biomass ethanol is where it's at... They're able to produce ethanol from sewage for goodness sake, albiet at a non-commercial level, due to lack of foresight from industry and government alike. The fun part with the whole 'arable land' debate is that it isn't a foodcrop (and doesn't need to be, contrary to what people will tell you), and thus can be grown in soil conditions that don't meet foodcrop standards. Most current methods aim at using currently harvested foodcrops such as corn and barley. Mainly because that's what they are used to using to brew... Unfortunately that's the approach the petrol-excise-funded government would have us know about as it makes Ethanol appear to be completely unreasonable in the world economy. Cellulosic Biomass and enzyme research, along with high yield yeasts have been brewing Ethanol from sewage, recycled woodchips and cardboard, pulp left over from grain harvests and household food waste for about the last 5 years. It's at the point where commercialisation is a hugely viable option, provided the government picks up the ball and runs with it. That's the problem with having recycling plants, sewage plants and the like run by government, as they are a prime sources of Cellulosic Biomass at present. Another shot in the foot of the 'arable land' argument is that the stalks left over from pretty much every grain production in the world, but more specifically corn, barley, wheat and sugar cane can potentially be the best source of Cellulosic Biomass for this type of Ethanol production. The government has a scheme that supports the development of Ethanol industry, however they have directly limited grants to those using foodcrops, and haven't opened the door to the most highly sustainable method of using cellulosic biomass, even ones produced from foodcrop waste such as stalks. The government has directly blocked the industrialisation and commercialisation of the single most economical and beneficial method of producing ethanol. Good one... My uncle races sprint cars, so it's definately not Methanol... that sh*t is nasty. Ethanol it is all the way. My other uncle uses it in his hyabusa powered midget sprint car too. We used to joke about chucking it with some OJ when the races aren't going too well and just getting sh*t faced. Other thing I love to point out is E85... it's a 85% Ethanol 15% petrol mix... This is not good, as to get Ethanol and Petrol to mix, you've got to distil the Ethanol to 100% strength. Distilling to 97% can be done by anyone, anywhere... It's easy... but getting that last 2% takes up to 4 times the energy, and highly specialised equipment and processes... To get a car to run on Ethanol, you need at least 87% (from memory...) so distilling to 90% would make for quicker and more efficient distilling times. It also means that you've got 10% water... Guess what that does? Makes for an additional bump in compression due to the non-compressive nature of water (not by much, as it's a miniscule amount when taken into account. read; won't harm engine) but it also ads a huge intercooling benefit. Ever seen water injection on a performance engine??? imagine having that straight out of the pump? Also... fuel cells... nice silicon lined fuel cell with adequate sealing... goes some way to eliminating the water absorbing issue, and eliminates the rusting issue. There are readily available solutions to any supposed problem with Ethanol production, supply and use. Just have to look around a bit. Anyways, it's true that Ethanol isn't the be-all and end-all. I still have a soft spot for electric cars, and personally waiting to see the next developments in power storage and battery production... Waiting for lightweight, FGRP or CFRP spaceframes to become mainstream in the automotive industry. That'd be fun... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoobzd Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 If they want to lead the way in lower emissions, why not ride around in a tricked out Mini or something? Most are so fat they wouldn't fit in one ! :jamie: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7shades Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Ah good... Someone else to pick up the 'alternative fuels/useless government/corporate monopoly' ball and run with it. Saves me having to go on a rant for a change :jamie: I'll just throw in a few keywords for fun... Diesel Algae f@$k hybrids Also of note, as per Philbeys post... Enthanol is hydroscopic. This is indeed a problem for tropic dwellers like myself. Caltex did a trial run of E85 up here a few years ago for exactly that reason. Just two servos, and the pumps had a big USE AT OWN RISK sign on them followed by a lengthy statement of indemnity. There were a lot of dead cars shortly thereafter, so they removed the pumps. A good friend of our family runs a commercial Biodiesel plant... And he too is having endless grief with water contamination. There's also the issue of running Bio in common rails... And although he HAS created a blend which works (he's been running it in his own Hilux for about a year now) he's not prepared to release it for public consumption for fear of lawsuits. Still early days for a lot of alternative fuels... More research needs to be done, more investment. SCIENCE! Oh having a government in power who isn't afraid of big oil and coal lobbies would be nice too, but I guess that's just asking too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white_sandshoe Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Ah good... Someone else to pick up the 'alternative fuels/useless government/corporate monopoly' ball and run with it. Saves me having to go on a rant for a change :jamie: I'll just throw in a few keywords for fun... Diesel Algae f@$k hybrids Oh! but uncle shadey, we all love your rants. :blush: I love that a diesel won Le Mans... if that isn't a sign of their un-realised potential, I really don't know what is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Stickers? *KEEP YOUR CASH I LOVE MY CLUNKER* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammo[RL] Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Check it out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiro Protagonist Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Give it 10 years though andy and nobody will be speedway racing KE30's, it'll be the next generation of cheap economical shitboxes like Excels or something. Damn, back 50 years ago, speedway guys were thrashing around in 32 ford coupes because nobody wanted them any more! Wouldn't surprise me at all, they've already done that with the rally formats with the Excel replacing the Gemini sandshoe, you not thinking of Methanol are you? They run that in all sorts of race classes, especially the V8 crowd. Top Alchohol class in drag racing is meth not eth. V8 Supertaxis run E85, and IndyCars run E100 (actually E98, replaced methanol after Paul Dana brought ethanol sponsorship to the series). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy43 Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Hey Guess what she carn't count. 200,000 cars off the road at 2,000 a pop cost = 400,000,000. But there only putting in 396,000,000. Cheers Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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