camerondownunder88 Posted June 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 (edited) UPDATES: Well tonight I got it in me to get the 5K cranking over. So I cleaned up all the engine electrical like removing corrosion from wires, replacing some motor to chassis earth wires with bigger non damaged ones (later model KE ones etc), charging battery, installed new battery terminals, made mew starter to battery cable, made new altornaot to battery cable, cleaned up alt regulator loom with new conduit tape and degreesed the wires and removed corrosion and all. Some pictures below: Above is the new lead from battery to the starter. Well all the electrical went good so I filled the 5K with oil and it cranked over no hassle with spark plug out of course so it build oil pressure with no load ;) So I have it cranking now so next step is to fit intake and exhaust after I get the KE30 mount for the manifold side so I can lift the motor more vertical in the 15 so the extractors I have hopefully fit in. Fingers crossed. Cheers Cameron Edited September 21, 2009 by camerondownunder88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 You got a KE30 engine mount yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camerondownunder88 Posted June 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Trev, Got a mount coming in the post and Corolla kid is picking me up one for free up north for me so ill get 2 in case one is stuffed ish but yep got mounts coming so hopefully the extractors will slide in like a glove when fitting them up. Cameron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapped out Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 I think you may have some dramas with the extractors cameron, ke1x extractors have totally different bends compared to ke3x ones, ke1x extractors have more bends in them obviously to miss the engine mount, idler arm, steering arm and firewall and also you would have noticed your exhaust goes over the gearbox crossmember. as opposed to ke3x extractors the are more "straight" so to speak, i know someone that has a set of ke1x extractors that may get rid of for the right price! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 The pacemaker extractors in my ke15 came out of a ke30. I had to cut off the pipe at the collector and get it rerouted to suit my floorpan. Having run a K, 3k, 4k, and 5k, I have had to alter the manifold side engine mount to account for the differences in block height between the motors. From the pics I've seen of camerons extractors, they look home made. This may or maynot make them more difficult to fit. The best way of altering the block height for best extractor fit is to cut up a k series engine mount (use the block side metal part), drill a hole at the right height and bolt a escort/cortina round engine mount to it. You can also use shims under the mount (where it bolts to the chassis) to fine tune the height. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camerondownunder88 Posted June 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 (edited) UPDATES Ok phatke30 I am using a KE30 engine manifold side engine mount. The newer mounts compared to the older KE1X mounts sit up more. So with a KE1X mount on the dizzy side and a KE30 or newer engine mount on the manifold side it stands the motor up more vertical. So if you need room for bigger carbies, extractors etc KE30 or newer manifold side engine mount is the fastest way to get more room. Also I have seen KE1X cars where the exhaust goes over or under the gear box cross member so I am aware of this. At this stage I think I will run them over the gearbox cross member so I have it more original and if I ever lower the car I will have the clearance still and not smash up m exhaust system. As for the extractors they are ones I got off a fellow member here out of his KE25. So there not ke1X extractors. So in the KE15 they hit the steering stop bolt and if they were about 5mm higher it would clear it all and bolt into the car no issues or cutting. So I dummy a KE30 mount into the car I had and I trial installed the extractors. But they hit. This time on the floor pan of the car :bash: I believe this is because there for a KE2X as all KEXX extractors I have seen it is really the collector at the floor that varies so a simple chop here and it is fixed I think if you get extractors for a different model. So I think I need to modify these a bit to make them fit. Below is how the extractors sit in the KE15 for you all: As you can see the extractors are not facing the cylinder head properly. So when they do they will be in closer to the motor. And as you can see in photo 1 (refer to red circle). They hit the steering stop bolt and there is about a feeler gauge gap between the steering arm and the lower pipe That is all in the red circle sorry for shit quality). So if the motor is say lifted 2cm which I believe it will be the extractors will swing in away from the steering arm and should be 2cm higher than it so that will be no issue then they should also go over the stop bolt and presto they should fit. Also currently the dump pipe is still within the gearbox tunnel so going over or under the gearbox member wont be an issue if I up right he motor more as they will swing in closer and be further in so fit better I hope.So fingers crossed. But the KE30 mount I have coming was posted today ;) so Next week if I get time I will install it but I leave for a holiday next week also so this might not happen for about 3 weeks this extractor job. But when it does I have the rest of the motor sorted. Cheers Cameron P.S. below are a few pics of the extractors and how they sit on the motor notice they don't sit flat on the cylinder head. Also below is a pic of clearence between radiator and the 5K. This is reason for the thermo fan. As KE1X ran a flat metal fan they didnt have as much room as other models. And I don't want to run an old metal fan. Edited September 25, 2009 by camerondownunder88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 (edited) The newer mounts compared to the older KE1X mounts sit up more. So with a KE1X mount on the dizzy side and a KE30 or newer engine mount on the manifold side it stands the motor up more vertical. So if you need room for bigger carbies, extractors etc KE30 or newer manifold side engine mount is the fastest way to get more room. It all depends on your extractor design. With my ke15 I had to lower my manifold side mount (compared to a stock ke15 mount) to get clearance for my pacemaker extractors. Really if you think about it the lower the motor sits the better for handling... But in the end I guess it comes down to making whatever extractors you can find fit, as they are not freely available. Running the exhaust under the gbox xmember = less rattles. I've never had clearance issues with the exhaust running under the xmember in my ke15, though the car has only been lowered very slightly. My ke16 which has the exhaust running over the xmember rattles a lot. I have plastic fans on both my ke15 and ke16. You just need to find the right fan with the right offset. My ke16 had a DC thermofan on it before I changed to a ke20 radiator, afterwards I decided to fit a plastic fan, purely for simplicity and reliability. I have had problems with the thermo fan switch previously. Edited June 15, 2007 by Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeys toy[RL] Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 I've found a stock '80-'81 sunny A14-A15 plastic fan works wonders in tight spaces Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesrolla Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 my exhaust runs under the crossmember, but mine are ke10 ones, ive tried fitting my 45's this week with ramflos and they only jsut don't fit, so i will try this engine mount buisness, with my car i have fitted a ke20 radiator and the stock 4k fan with a longer belt as the stock one was too short to work with the stock denso altenator, but you will notice when you put it all no the altenator does sit straight, so you migth ahve to work out a way to doel with this, ive jsut lived with it, havnt had any problems but i will with for you guys to go and work out a way to fix it... lol keep up the good work man cheers james Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camerondownunder88 Posted July 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 (edited) UPDATES Though Id pop in an fast up date on my 15. So far after my holiday I have managed to reinstall the front badges that were off the car and install a KE55 engine mount to make the motor more up right. That is all the work done on the car. Now after making the motor sit up right the extractors are closer to fitting but now hit the floor pan of the car :lol: So I am now selling them anyone want cheap KE25 extractors?? PM ME. I have decided I will bite the bullet get soem real KE1X extractors and use an original KE1X mount. But Ill keep the KE30 mount just in case I get some twins down the future so I can get more room. Now in the mean time I also purchased a twin carby setup off Super Jaime from here and below is a picture of it: It isnt in TIP top condition but there getting hard to find so can't go wrong with spares. They are originally off a KE50 so they sport a small port manifold and an air filter box with a lot of polution gear on it and that is it. Other wise there the same as a KE1X set. But the heat transfer triangle on thsi manifold is the same as a normal KE3X and newer exhaust manifold so makes these manifold easier to use as KE1X manifolds ran different triangle sizes. Only down side of the mani is it has been modded to fit extractors :D ..why do people do this :( and below is a pic of this damage: But this setup I will be bead blasting the carbys have all ready been rebuilt so there bolted on and this setup will just be a spare etc. I have also ordered a caliper rebuild kit to put through my front KE70 brake calipers I have for the sprinter here so soon I will have nice painted rebuilt ke70 brakes on the sprinter :wink: And finally another toy for the car that is on the way...I FOUND a N.O.S yellow book manual for a KE1X aircon system :) all pages there no dirt on it like new. So now one day down the track the sprinter I might try to install aircon using newer parts but having it similar to the original system. So now I just need to find a yellow book for the motor for a KE1X car and I have all 4 in the set :lolcry: So this item is paid for and in the post :lolcry: That is it for now. Cheers Cameron Edited September 25, 2009 by camerondownunder88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwarf Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 Dude, I did that to the manifold. It was my old one. You'll find that a lot of extractors don't fit with those manifolds, you just happened to luck onto a set that does. When I bought them 15 years ago, they weren't that rare. :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camerondownunder88 Posted July 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 (edited) Hi, Yeah red I figured you did the grinding..lol But now there rare and I bet people wish they never cut them. But I was looking at it and I recon you could easily fix it so no dramas really..lol I was ranting a bit. Cheers Cameron Edited September 25, 2009 by camerondownunder88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwarf Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 For future reference the filter element is a Subaru item. The number from memory is A337 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camerondownunder88 Posted July 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 Thanks Red for the reference on the air filter element. I was curious as to weather or not this style of element was still available or not. Cheers Cameron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwarf Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 Yep, but it's not a cheap filter. I was never able to find the filter that was actually meant to go in there. It's meant to have two small round ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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