+1!
I should add aswell, they too complain it becomes too expensive once begining the project, try cutting corners, time and money becomes an issue.......bla bla bla! If they can't factor in estimated future costs and time needed, realise they don't have the skills and don't want to learn properly, and can't see the overall picture, IMO they shouldnt bother in the first place,
ive had my rant........
cheers phatke30!